I don't post here often, and im not really sure if anyone outside of mark even knows who i am, but after reading astats AWESOME post, i wanted to thank him for being logical about this debate. I havent been around the site much lately b/c i'm tired of reading posts from people who won't be satisfied no matter what. Disagreeing is OK, but backing your argument up with solid evidence seems to be missing from this board
again, thanks astat, its refreshing to read such a well thought out post, regardless of the stance you take in the debate