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some of your theories about why MTM20 won't be released defy all common sense, LOL

I get what you're saying, but absolute exclusivity was never really a thing. As far back as I can remember, LPU releases were leaked online the same day they came out (I remember LPUX was released at an LPU Summit, and the same day was leaked on youtube). People still paid because they wanted to support it and felt it was worth being part of. And it doesn't have to be a CD. A digital release with cool artwork and FLAC/WAV files would be great. If I remember correctly, Mike did something similar in 2023 through his own fan club, with Just Math and other demos from his Twitch sessions. And on the financial side, we're talking about recordings that already exist. There's still some work involved in putting a release together, sure, but a digital package doesn't need manufacturing, packaging or shipping. For me, the value isn't knowing nobody else can hear it without paying. It's getting something I actually care about from a band I love. Call me crazy, I'd be much more interested in paying for that than an eye mask and a pen, even knowing the demos, unreleased footage, deep-dives or whatever content would end up online.

I agree with a lot of what has been said here. To me, offering fans an eye mask and a collectible pen while meaningful musical content, unreleased footage, and so on is missing from the package feels incredibly tone-deaf. What brings us together is the music. It's the reason we care about this band enough to join a community, discuss their work, follow their shows, and take an interest in how their songs were made. Putting an LP logo on just any accessory doesn't make it meaningful, nor does it represent LPU or what the band stands for. I understand why revisiting recordings with Chester might be impossible due to 20th anniversaries, and I respect the band’s right to decide what they are comfortable releasing. But that can't explain the lack of material from the current chapter forever. It's been two years since the comeback. The early versions and snippets people are discussing from Unshatter are exactly the sort of thing fans would love to hear, even in demo version. Nobody is asking them to empty the vault or use up their strongest unreleased songs. Keep those for future albums or special releases if that is the plan. But come on, demos of songs we already have would mean so much for the fans (Primo is an example). A different vocal take, an early arrangement, discarded lyrics, a melody before it became the version we know. A recording doesn't need to be a lost hit single to be worth sharing (I don't buy what people say about Mike being too much of a perfectionist when it comes to the demos he's released to the world).

All I can say about your post is: Amen

don't get my hype man. the closer we get to the 20th anniversary, the more excited I get about what they might have in the vault. That album cycle has always been particularly special to me because it was the first one I experienced from beginning to end as a fan. I remember following all the rumours, interviews and studio updates, while also being completely obsessed with everything surrounding Fort Minor. We know they created around 100 to 150 ideas, with around 30 reaching an advanced stage. Considering that songs like Not Alone, Pretend to Be and The Last Line came from those sessions, it's easy to imagine that some of those 30 were much closer to finished songs than we think. But what makes me especially interested as well it's all the entire transitional period from 2003 to 2005 as well. The material they initially abandoned because it sounded too much like the old Linkin Park as well. That could be where some of the biggest surprises are hiding. Then songs like Grecian, the seventeenth song, Chester's No Roads Left, unreleased making-of footage, Summer Sonic 2006, Webster Hall, Rock am Ring 2007 and so on. I’ve been reading Linkinpedia nonstop, trying to learn everything they have so much unreleased material from that era

There’s an actual basis to think MTM20 could happen,so don't worry about your takes 😁 Honestly, I find the "it won’t happen" takes even weirder, especially considering who they’re coming from. It just doesn’t line up with how the band has handled LPU and unreleaded stuff before

I don’t think the Lost moment is going to happen again. Meteora is just more iconic and more loved by casual fans, and Lost caught everyone off guard because it’s genuinely a huge song. It’s crazy to think they had something that good locked away for 20 years. But I also don’t buy the "we can’t release Chester-era stuff because it might confuse casuals now that Emily is here" argument. People aren’t that clueless, and the band’s story is part of what makes them who they are. If anything, the band is already more visible than ever, so there’s no need to act like acknowledging the past is risky in terms of marketing. And honestly, a small fan event + some unreleased footage + one live show + merch doesn’t really satisfy most people when we all know how much material exists from those days. That was Chester’s voice in that era, and from a marketing perspective it’s hard to justify holding back what fans are clearly asking for. It’s an easy win. I’m not expecting another Lost, but I do expect MTM20 to happen and to include some surprises. With how much they wrote back then, there have to be a few gems (Grecian, songs from 2004/2005, etc).

New interview with apathy about Mike.

Just watched the interview and I'm honestly impressed by Ryu's maturity here. His sense of accountability, instead of playing the victim or throwing shade at Mike over the 'Welcome' misunderstanding or the money issues was great. This phrase: I did it to myself by expecting others to do the work for me. It's a very grown-up take. I'll watch the rest of the interview afterwards.

that's ethan mates. Man, the demos for this album, most of them were very different. We need them

I think the Bernabeu would be full or almost full. The Wizink would also be cool, but I think they aspire to bigger venues, although I'd like it to be there, I've been to several concerts and the hans zimmer event a few months ago and I like the acoustics. I hope they come back next year, I'm really looking forward to seeing them live again

Tourist is straight fire! I'm totally feeling like Collin and Mike are gonna be cooking up some dope stuff outside of LP in the coming years

Don't worry, man. I'm glad you're joining the forum and hope to see you participating this week and joining the party

and Resolution was a mix between Fort minor and the sound of Meteora, and had no chorus. Now looking at your description, in his own way, he wasn't wrong

LOL, anyway the Don't Stay and BTH thing is only said by the guy on Reddit, I've seen a girl who went to the event who says BTH was sung by Mike (basically the demo we've been listening to for 9 years).

Same person, he kept remarking that Massive sounded more raw than the rest of the demos, but now that you say that Chester isn't there, I don't even know what to believe anymore LOL. What he did confirm is that he didn't listen to any BTH demo with Chester's vocals or a demo of Don't Stay, but now seeing the situation, I don't know what to think.

I wouldn't trust the veracity or at least the LP knowledge of those who attended. Just yesterday I passed The Wizard Song to one of them, and he said no demo contained that music. Massive is similar or the style of Carousel? but more raw, that's what I was told yesterday, and the people who went said they were chester and Mike's vocals

Stop throwing guesses as facts, please. This is the typical thing that starts spreading around YT with fake titles and I hate that.

It was the lying from you voicemail, https://soundcloud.com/meteora2023/lying_from_you_voicemail

New divide was made in the ATS sessions, so it will go into that package. It doesn't make sense to do a 20th anniversary for a single. Nocturnal or Serpent is the name of the Numb demo, no need to count it as another one. Anyway I hope Mike will solve the doubt once and for all in a Q&A on twitch.

Because they became famous and the biggest selling group in 2001, then warner saw money in every unreleased song they had and kept them under lock for future releases. If you add that over time security has improved substantially and that it's much more difficult to leak anything, well there's your answer.

I think all the songs on the album are going to have vocals to some extent. Considering that this isn't only for hardcore fans, but for everyone, people prefer songs with vocals always, and look at HT20, there were still songs with vocals that we didn't know about (in fact there are even more that are still unreleased). I think people have internalized too much that on this album the last thing that was done were the vocals and that the rest of the 18/24 months they were composing they didn't add vocals. I think we are in for a pleasant surprise.

Looking forward to the announcement!!!

My prediction is conditioned by the second verse of the song and that something that was written two years ago and as an unknown artist, coming out on those dates is something to keep in mind. If MT20 is announced that week, 9-13 of January and 8 weeks go by (knowing that February has less days) that leaves us with an MT20 release the week of March 6-10, which matches the approx two week gap between the actual release and the release of the 20th anniversary versions(Keeping in mind HT20). These are all guesses, but I like to anticipate what might be coming

Am I the only one who finds, and more knowing that we'll have news about MT20 in January, this a big coincidence and I think that it's that week that we will have news? Considering the second verse is literally what he did for HT20 and knowing this demo was made 2 years ago, I see a lot of coincidence about the dates