'From Zero' Album Discussion

[juancpin]

2 minutes ago, linkinepi said:

Now that the songs have settled in HOLY FUCKING SHIT. They are ALL bangers. I've been playing IGYEIH on repeat!!!

Boyyyyyyy I've been on repeat with EVERYONE.

[xxHybridXeroxx]

33 minutes ago, juancpin said:

I feel he's remembered, no need to mention every single time in every single place. I mean, everybody knows it's implicit.

Yeah, I feel this way too. I think it’d just bring everyone down if they’d keep mentioning him. Both band and fans. I also think that people are very sensitive still when it comes to Chester and a lot of people still obviously haven’t accepted his passing. With this being said, I think them continuing at all is a tribute to him, as Ryan Shuck said in the LPLive DBS interview, Chester would want his friends to still do what they love even if he wasn’t there. 
 

 

Edited November 13 by xxHybridXeroxx

[juancpin]

10 minutes ago, xxHybridXeroxx said:

Yeah, I feel this way too. I think it’d just bring everyone down if they’d keep mentioning him. Both band and fans. I also think that people are very sensitive still when it comes to Chester and a lot of people still obviously haven’t accepted his passing. With this being said, I think them continuing at all is a tribute to him, as Ryan Shuck said in the LPLive DBS interview, Chester would want his friends to still do what they love even if he wasn’t there. 
 

 

Exactly, the mere survival of the band is a homage to him. And I think he would smile and take care of everyone in the band if he saw this wave of joy we live in now.

[AParallelogramInTheSand]

Did a whole ranking thing for all album LP songs and today's mood and the matchups given puts From Zero tied at 5th place with Hybrid Theory. I think it could rise up after seeing the songs in concert and letting them fully sink in as nostalgia and "the vibes" played a decent factor in my choices.

That being said, the resulting ranking of songs from From Zero are more balanced I think.

1. Good Things Go - I love the ATS atmospheric music vibes and the general build up to a relentless paced bridge from Mike and a scream sing chorus to just a full cut to end the album
2. Overflow - a lot of experimentation and it has the build up of intensity I enjoy. Feels really like the whole band got to shine. Reminds me of the demos released from ATS era.
3. Cut the Bridge - Choppy guitar makes me think of bongo cat. Mike and Emily have a great back and forth. Chester would've fucking loved going feral on this live imo.
4. Stained - this seems like a Mike Shinoda song that got worked into the album. Not a bad thing. It has the poppier vibes that I think they tried to move towards in OML but didn't quite reach. I think there's a space for rock in general pop music and this is that.
5. The Emptiness Machine - looking at the album and looking back at everything, this had to be the lead single. Mike singing the first half with a new but familiar sound shows LP's still here and bringing Emily in the second half with higher note into growls for the verse then scream for the chorus is a quick showcase of how she is alike and different to Chester.
6. IGYEIH - fun rock song that I think mixes a lot of Meteora and THP. The bridge/outro is gonna be sick live
7. Two Faced - Figure.09 part two. Mike rapping on the verses really matches the Meteora vibes, the seeming multilayered vocals for Emily also matches those early songs.
8. Heavy is the Crown - I'm not a huge fan of the flow of Mike's verses but they've grown on me. Chorus bops, bridge scream is wild that they tried that after knowing Given Up was such a big push for Chester live. Pays off
9. Over Each Other - nice break to breathe honestly. The music flows a little weird to me but, like HITC verses, has grown on me. It's meant to be like the LOATR/Powerless/FM, but I feel it's a bit weaker than those.
10. Casualty - the Emily parts are good, reminds me of like Victimized and QWERTY, but I just don't like Mike's parts. His delivery and the pausing just holds back the whole song in my opinion. I think this was the place for an angry rap similar to AFN or KTTK.
11. From Zero - nice peek behind the scenes and a good way to start this specific album, especially paired with the other easter eggs in the other songs.

[AParallelogramInTheSand]

25 minutes ago, xxHybridXeroxx said:

Yeah, I feel this way too. I think it’d just bring everyone down if they’d keep mentioning him. Both band and fans. I also think that people are very sensitive still when it comes to Chester and a lot of people still obviously haven’t accepted his passing. With this being said, I think them continuing at all is a tribute to him, as Ryan Shuck said in the LPLive DBS interview, Chester would want his friends to still do what they love even if he wasn’t there. 
 

 

I don't understand the insistence that the band must constantly be actively and vocally mourning the loss of Chester at every opportunity. They did a massive tribute concert while they were still in the trenches of grief specifically for the fans to have that closure. Mike said at the LPU return "filling in for Chester, is every single one of you". That was the prime audience to say that to and I had hoped that message would spread to the wider fanbase.

 

Do I miss Chester? Yes. Did I think about how he would've sounded on these songs? Yes. Did I think that this album needed to be anything different than what it is? No. The album mashes all their past ideas up with new ideas and influences. Chester's influence is definitely seen in the fact we got songs so many people are saying "oh this could've been on this album". Mike did a full album processing his grief, it does him, the band, and the fans no favors to try and keep focused on the grief of the past instead of processing and moving forward.

 

People need to go to therapy and actually deal with their issues instead of obsessing over it and letting it consume them for now 7 years. I know it sounds harsh but it's everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves. 

[LPLStaff]

Best comment on this on YouTube to someone saying this same stuff about Chester:

"Who exactly do you think you're holding up your lights for on Lost?"

[KeysToTheLinkinPark]

1 minute ago, LPLStaff said:

Best comment on this on YouTube to someone saying this same stuff about Chester:

"Who exactly do you think you're holding up your lights for on Lost?"

And who do we sing for when Emily puts his Mic into the crowd during Crawling (especially Crawling)? 

[xxHybridXeroxx]

29 minutes ago, AParallelogramInTheSand said:

I don't understand the insistence that the band must constantly be actively and vocally mourning the loss of Chester at every opportunity. They did a massive tribute concert while they were still in the trenches of grief specifically for the fans to have that closure. Mike said at the LPU return "filling in for Chester, is every single one of you". That was the prime audience to say that to and I had hoped that message would spread to the wider fanbase.

 

Do I miss Chester? Yes. Did I think about how he would've sounded on these songs? Yes. Did I think that this album needed to be anything different than what it is? No. The album mashes all their past ideas up with new ideas and influences. Chester's influence is definitely seen in the fact we got songs so many people are saying "oh this could've been on this album". Mike did a full album processing his grief, it does him, the band, and the fans no favors to try and keep focused on the grief of the past instead of processing and moving forward.

 

People need to go to therapy and actually deal with their issues instead of obsessing over it and letting it consume them for now 7 years. I know it sounds harsh but it's everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves. 

Well said, 100% agree with everything. 

[hybridcloudyfz]

1 hour ago, linkinepi said:

Now that the songs have settled in HOLY FUCKING SHIT. They are ALL bangers. I've been playing IGYEIH on repeat!!!

FACTS

[TheUnicornOfPower]

I've listened to the album last night and I wrote some notes on the songs as they were playing. 

 

1 From Zero (Intro)
That female voice is not Emily, in my opinion. Unless she was sick. Or maybe I'm just not that familiar with her spoken voice yet.

 

2 The Emptiness Machine

3 Cut The Bridge

The beginning sounds familiar. Then like some demo from MTM. Mhm, there's percussion familiar from BIO. Some cinematic strings. A marching, fighting rhythm. Cool gang rapping in the second chorus. 

 

4 Heavy Is the Crown

5 Over Each Other

6 Casualty
Ok, I finally know exactly what the guitar is playing and it's better than I thought. But overall very similar to the live version, as others have written. Too bad it's so short. Nice despair before the bridge in Emily's voice. I thought it would sound a little different. Better? But it's ok. 

 

7 Overflow
Intro sounds like some kind of interlude. Verse sounds very unusual for LP. I drifted off at the chorus, I don't know what's going on. I guess this track will have to grow on me. Just like for instance OEO earlier. Cool bridge with guitar. 

 

8 Two Faced
HITC vibe intro. Cool intro riff. In the style of Xero. VERY cool riff. This might be my favorite track from the unfamiliar. Oh yeah, that chorus! This is Linkin Park! Yes! 

 

9 Stained
I like the dynamics, the pace of this album. Banger after banger. The chorus in this song reminds me of something poppy. 

 

10 IGYEIH
Cool riff. What did they say that there are no cool ones? VERY cool heavy build up. Certainly the female vocals give a bit of a different vibe to this music, but you can sense in the melodies that this is LP, even in delivery. 

 

11 Good Things Go
I got too caught up and forgot to take notes on this track. You can feel that this is something great. But these songs need to grow on me. I'm waiting to listen to Two Faced again.

[Qwerty18]

12 hours ago, JZLP-Benningstrong said:

my drunk review fuck it ill post a lot

 

 

intro sucks balls wish they had something epic like Wake.

 

 

cut the bridge rocks 

 

its pop nu metal same vibes as LGM

 

 

casualty rules man

 

mikes voice so unique

 

Definitely thp vs victimized 

 

i want to break my tv

 

 

 

overflow

so unique but at the same time very linkinparkish ats vs shinoda demos

 

holy fuck

 

 

stained is next

 

mike vs emily fucking rules

she kinda sounds like the drummer from that christian band cant remember the name

 

Definitely a cool live song

 

 

everything i have

 

i love how the instrumental sounds like it has early demo sounds

 

Mike's voice sounds like from 99

another fucking badass song

 

fuck oml

 

 

good things 

 

what a fucking vibe man

never heard something as epic as easier 2 run mike understood that LP was never about one voice it was about the interaction between two voice

 

i fucking miss you chester i think about you everyday 

 

I know that you are up there rocking w us

 

the album fucking rocks man it is nearly perfect

 

mike and brad failed to give it a proper intro and a proper ending

 

album stars out of nowhere and then it suddenly ends

 

*mr hahn needed a solo instrumental song

This is legit one the most disjointed hilarious review I've read of the album

 

But glad you enjoyed it! It's cool to see such a good overall reception from everyone.

[neil]

Overflow is SO good.

Starts sounding like a Radiohead track, then transitions into Rammstein style piano, verses sound 21 Pilots inspired,  fusions of Shinoda rap demo throughout.

This honestly might be one of my favorite LP tracks of all time.  This is very much the experimentation that attracted me to ATS.

Edited November 13 by neil

[Soeffingnaive92]

https://www.kerrang.com/album-review-linkin-park-from-zero-mike-shinoda-emily-armstong

[martinez]

The album is officially out now! Both the standard edition and expanded edition.

[Belchn]

Hasn't anybody figured out which song Stained is copying? It doesn't just sound similar to a song or to a type of song, it seems that they're intentionally copying a song.

[zerothree]

Oh my god. It's out in New Zealand and I'm finishing my first listen. Initial thoughts, Casualty - Two Faced is the best three song line up on the album, Overflow production is brain meltingly good, the Stick N Move  Fuse sample (thanks unksolideer2000) at the end is a fun addition, Two Faced is a classic Meteora LP song, the album intro is funny for the first listen but once you've heard it, there's no point in listening again? Cut the Bridge is Bleed it Out Pt. 2. Good Things Go intro is Adam's Song, Heavy is the Crown and Over Each Other are my two 'meh' songs on the album.

 

Edit: oh and Mike's shouts on Casualty have been needed for the last every LP album...

Edited November 14 by ToddWilliamson
I was wrong lol

[unksoldier2000]

19 minutes ago, ToddWilliamson said:

Oh my god. It's out in New Zealand and I'm finishing my first listen. Initial thoughts, Casualty - Two Faced is the best three song line up on the album, Overflow production is brain meltingly good, the Stick N Move sample at the end is a fun addition, Two Faced is a classic Meteora LP song, the album intro is funny for the first listen but once you've heard it, there's no point in listening again? Cut the Bridge is Bleed it Out Pt. 2. Good Things Go intro is Adam's Song, Heavy is the Crown and Over Each Other are my two 'meh' songs on the album.

 

Edit: oh and Mike's shouts on Casualty have been needed for the last every LP album...

it's Fuse haha

[zerothree]

1 minute ago, unksoldier2000 said:

it's Fuse haha

 

Oh my bad, thanks. 

[unksoldier2000]

5 minutes ago, ToddWilliamson said:

 

Oh my bad, thanks. 

nah, don't mind about it

i saw a person confusing with Stick n Move, that bee guitar sound can be confusing lol

[zerothree]

[EDIT:] I don't know how to delete a post but I'm removing my own post because it's irrelevant to the post topic. 

Edited November 14 by zerothree
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[GreyFox-AFCA]

25 minutes ago, zerothree said:

 

I mean everyone grieves in their own way and people from both sides need to be okay with that. Kind of tired of seeing people telling each other how to grieve. I understand wanting to try and move on and continue enjoying new LP music. I understand the frustration that on OML they had a tribute song for a friend that died by suicide and on this album there's nothing for their band mate. But there needs to be safe spaces for both sides of that, and this thread probably isn't it lol. (Yes, I see the irony that I'm adding to it).

Yeah that's not entirely true.

 

One More Light was written in the wake of a death by cancer. A friend who'd worked at Warner.

There were no connections with suicide.

[zerothree]

[EDIT:] I don't know how to delete a post but I'm removing my own post because it's irrelevant to the post topic. 

Edited November 14 by zerothree
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[AParallelogramInTheSand]

2 hours ago, zerothree said:

 

I mean everyone grieves in their own way and people from both sides need to be okay with that. Kind of tired of seeing people telling each other how to grieve. I understand wanting to try and move on and continue enjoying new LP music. I understand the frustration that on OML they had a tribute song for a friend that died by suicide and on this album there's nothing for their band mate. But there needs to be safe spaces for both sides of that, and this thread probably isn't it lol. (Yes, I see the irony that I'm adding to it).

Everyone grieves in their own way, yes, but this isn't that. I grieved by spending time with my partner, treating myself to comforts, etc. I also reflected on why I was grieving the loss of someone I didn't know and went to therapy and learned to process my feelings.

 

It is everyone's personal responsibility to address their mental health and seek help if needed. A 7 year mourning period for a parasocial relationship is not normal nor healthy. I don't entertain "both sides" or "agree to disagree". People on facebook posting on every single LP post enraged that the band isn't publicly stuck in the same hole they are and aren't writing songs about how their lives are consumed with grieving chester is not the move. It is their responsibility to seek therapy as it is clearly affecting their ability to handle day to day.

This isn't yelling at you, it's frustration at the whole situation.

Edited November 14 by AParallelogramInTheSand
Added disclaimer of focus of rant

[zerothree]

Final thoughts are pretty similar to first listen through thoughts. I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the album. Emily's vocals on Good Things Go are pretty incredible. Overflow is still a stand out favourite. I didn't like the studio conversation clips on THP and that holds true for From Zero, I don't want to hear 'put your screaming pants on' every time Over Each Other ends if I have it in a playlist. I'd love to check in after a month and see if the replay value holds. All in all, a pretty solid comeback record.

[porfir]

my top three (at least for now):

1- the emptiness machine
2- two faced
3- heavy is the crown

i like cut the bridge and igyeih among the songs that was not available before the official release of the album. i just don't like the songs that sound like they belong to one more light album. over each other and good things go are okay songs but nothing more than that for me. i really don't enjoy overflow and stained and don't understand why people hype these two. casualty is like a worse sounding brother of keys to the kingdom but i can still say i like it and i definitely prefer it over the poppy songs. that being said, i didn't listen to the whole album enough so some of the songs will probably grow more on me. 

no homage/tribute to chester is also not something i like.

linkin park forever.