LPLStaff Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Linkin Park has started upgrading their music videos on YouTube from their original quality to 4K to celebrate the release week of the "Papercuts" box set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PizzaPino Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I'm so glad I can watch the video in high quality on my ultrawide screen now. The original video looked so bad on modern screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coizu Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 35 minutes ago, LPLStaff said: using AI I think this is misleading. The majority of the quality upgrades don't involve AI upscaling at all, at least from what I can tell. For example, WFTE has no AI upscaling involved at all (and I would also assume that all AI models would produce shit output in that case anyway). I think in most cases they just had a better quality version laying around that were simply never uploaded to YouTube or they rescanned original tapes (like they most probably did for OSC back then). They only applied AI upscaling very selectively, e.g. in LOATR they only use it for specific scenes. I would guess that 75% of that video for example doesn't involve AI upscaling at all (or just very minor to bring it over the 4k finish line so to speak). All the Chester solo scenes for example don't look AI upscaled to me while the scenes in the beginning where Mike pulls of the helmet or the close up shot of Rob playing chess are definitely AI upscaled in a very visible way. I wish they would have kept it away from all scenes though since a) I think the videos would have looked good enough without it and b) it creates this very distinct AI upscaling artifacting which we never can get rid of. AI upscaling is something that will only improve from here on out and with tech like RTX upscaling, it will happen on the client while playing back the video, but we won't be able to benefit from that in the future since parts of the videos already went through one pass of AI upscaling. Edited April 10 by Coizu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YRQRM0 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, Coizu said: I think this is misleading. The majority of the quality upgrades don't involve AI upscaling at all, at least from what I can tell. For example, WFTE has no AI upscaling involved at all (and I would also assume that all AI models would produce shit output in that case anyway). I think in most cases they just had a better quality version laying around that were simply never uploaded to YouTube or they rescanned original tapes (like they most probably did for OSC back then). They only applied AI upscaling very selectively, e.g. in LOATR they only use it for specific scenes. I would guess that 75% of that video for example doesn't involve AI upscaling at all (or just very minor to bring it over the 4k finish line so to speak). All the Chester solo scenes for example don't look AI upscaled to me while the scenes in the beginning where Mike pulls of the helmet or the close up shot of Rob playing chess are definitely AI upscaled in a very visible way. I wish they would have kept it away from all scenes though since a) I think the videos would have looked good enough without it and b) it creates this very distinct AI upscaling artifacting which we never can get rid of. AI upscaling is something that will only improve from here on out and with tech like RTX upscaling, it will happen on the client while playing back the video, but we won't be able to benefit from that in the future since parts of the videos already went through one pass of AI upscaling. I'd be surprised if WTFE had a 4K version natively back then with all those VFX, I bet they just did a better handbrake-type conversion with the original uncompressed file but set the dimensions to 4K. But yeah I agree, I wish they didn't have the AI upscaling in and you can clearly see it in a lot of places. There also seems to be some jittery dropped frame-type issues in a few LOATR shots, I can't tell if that's an artifact from the upscale or something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 As i said it before, its hard to complain about the upgrades on these videos, the quality is so fucking good! could they have done it better? absolutely but i guess that involved way more $$$ in case that you prefer the old videos feeel free to watch the old shitty ass potato quality using the wayback machine and stop complaining haha LOATR 360(p)otato https://web.archive.org/web/20201020222912/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIummTz9mM the boost in quality is FANTASTIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YRQRM0 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 39 minutes ago, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said: As i said it before, its hard to complain about the upgrades on these videos, the quality is so fucking good! could they have done it better? absolutely but i guess that involved way more $$$ in case that you prefer the old videos feeel free to watch the old shitty ass potato quality using the wayback machine and stop complaining haha LOATR 360(p)otato https://web.archive.org/web/20201020222912/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIummTz9mM the boost in quality is FANTASTIC dude you already strawmanned the complaint in the shoutbox once, we're clearly not saying we wanna watch the old quality, we're saying we want to watch the best source available sans AI artifacts. basically the same convo DBZ fans have had with every home disc release lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 17 hours ago, YRQRM0 said: dude you already strawmanned the complaint in the shoutbox once, we're clearly not saying we wanna watch the old quality, we're saying we want to watch the best source available sans AI artifacts. basically the same convo DBZ fans have had with every home disc release lol BROADCAST AUDIO!!! ORIGINAL SOURCE PLZ! What happened w BIO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) On 4/11/2024 at 9:17 AM, YRQRM0 said: dude you already strawmanned the complaint in the shoutbox once, we're clearly not saying we wanna watch the old quality, we're saying we want to watch the best source available sans AI artifacts. basically the same convo DBZ fans have had with every home disc release lol If enough people wanted to buy that, the Level sets would have been successful. I have a personal investment in good quality anime releases, for, well, Reasons, but if the market is given the opportunity and the fans don't come, there's not a lot anyone can do. I'd like for them to try again, but... Edited April 12 by Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShineWolf Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Where is "Bleed It Out"? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/10/2024 at 5:38 PM, Coizu said: I think this is misleading. The majority of the quality upgrades don't involve AI upscaling at all, at least from what I can tell. For example, WFTE has no AI upscaling involved at all (and I would also assume that all AI models would produce shit output in that case anyway). I think in most cases they just had a better quality version laying around that were simply never uploaded to YouTube or they rescanned original tapes (like they most probably did for OSC back then). They only applied AI upscaling very selectively, e.g. in LOATR they only use it for specific scenes. I would guess that 75% of that video for example doesn't involve AI upscaling at all (or just very minor to bring it over the 4k finish line so to speak). All the Chester solo scenes for example don't look AI upscaled to me while the scenes in the beginning where Mike pulls of the helmet or the close up shot of Rob playing chess are definitely AI upscaled in a very visible way. I wish they would have kept it away from all scenes though since a) I think the videos would have looked good enough without it and b) it creates this very distinct AI upscaling artifacting which we never can get rid of. AI upscaling is something that will only improve from here on out and with tech like RTX upscaling, it will happen on the client while playing back the video, but we won't be able to benefit from that in the future since parts of the videos already went through one pass of AI upscaling. Leave out all the rest i can pick and point the AI upscaling artifacts in every closeup. Its really apparant but good enough quality to pass. WFTE's VFX actually helps mask it a bit. And yes they 100% also based it on their best base quality which also helps. I honestly think every AI upscaling video is pretty damn good. The tech is getting better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpplus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 awesome news. they used ND alternative version (band version) for this release to upgrade to 4K...that's interesting I wonder why the don't the same for BIO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coizu Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) What confuses me the most is that I am like 90% sure that I downloaded a HD version of the BIO music video back in 2007 so there must be at least a 720p or 1080p version. I can't find any hints of a HD download back then anymore so maybe I am just dreaming it up. Edited April 17 by Coizu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 On 4/17/2024 at 11:40 AM, Coizu said: What confuses me the most is that I am like 90% sure that I downloaded a HD version of the BIO music video back in 2007 so there must be at least a 720p or 1080p version. I can't find any hints of a HD download back then anymore so maybe I am just dreaming it up. probably a 480p extract from a DVD that got upscaled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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