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On 3/30/2023 at 9:31 AM, vinifeijo said:

Which release (album or song) do you think the band had confidence it would perform well but flopped?

There are a few releases the band knew it would'nt be popular, but what about the ones they thought it would?

Lost is clearly the opposite, way more successful than anyone could predict.

I would guess The Hunting Party-era stuff probably. Until It's Gone felt like it was engineered for success and it doesn't even seem to be that big within these hardcore fan circles. It also got a nice MV. Final Masquerade is kind of a weird one with the big MV and also the attention on the acoustic section. Choosing to play ALITS always seemed a little odd to me and felt like a sort of "let's make more people aware of THP" kinda play. And after years of "I wish LP would do heavy stuff again", I'm pretty surprised it wasn't bigger, except for the fact that I can see nothing truly captured everything HT and Meteora had. The closest feel musically was wastelands, but the lyrics mean nothing to most people. 

Maybe they thought Iridescent would be bigger as well because of the Transformers feature? 

It sounds like Massive is a "full" song then? That's awesome. I thought we'd only get the 3, it's crazy to me that there's more. 

Seems ambiguous as to whether Resolution is also a full song, but if it was one of the 15 that made it to NRG, I guess so? 6 new full songs is awesome if so 

Also, I can't believe how much this fandom likes the wizard song lmao. It would be cool to listen to like once, but I'm much happier to hear that it has actual serious lyrics and that's what we're getting

4 hours ago, leftshoe18 said:

Maybe instead of trying to aim for what would be successful they make the music they want to make. You know...the thing Linkin Park has been doing since the beginning.

Yeah exactly. Plus you have to put success into perspective here...both Invisible and Sorry For Now have more than 40 million plays each. Warner has many artists that would kill for those kinds of plays on a new lead single, let alone deeper cuts like those are. Mike himself will reliably get over a few million plays on everything he releases (barring the instrumental albums). I don't think anyone is gonna miss a vacation or car payment because LP puts out pop instead of nu metal. 

11 hours ago, JZ-GreyDaze said:

 

I want an album that has the spirit of Papercut, they need to prove the world that they can still be agressive and sound hard without Chester.

If they do another pop slow album who's gonna be interested in going to their concerts?

 

They need more HIGH ENERGY SONGS that Mike can do on his own and of course they need someone else to sing the hits, they are an old band and they must play like 12 songs from their catalog.

I see the vision, but I wouldn't bet on proving their ability to be aggressive actually being important to them. Honestly I expect the next release, if it ever happens and despite what some of us might want, to be quite chill and pop. Something that would fit in with Coldplay's Music of The Spheres type sound, with the lyrics and melodies being more important than the energy or how metal/aggressive they can be

4 hours ago, Trumtram said:

Plot twist: They had to use the demo verses for the album because Chester was too sick/sore to finish them in NY. But it would be weird to basically have the same demo twice (just with Mike's vocals added on one).

I don't think it would be that weird to get the same demo chorus of Figure 09 just with verses added in. I could see it existing and they just held back the first time. I say this after having found out they gave us Cumulus without following up on the full song until now. We also know there's pretty obvious stuff (like later versions of Part of Me) that didn't make HT20 and instrumentals not on M20. It's obvious at this point that saving some stuff for later is part of the label's strategy for every LPU release and now the 20th anniversary editions

Much like Fighting Myself, there could also be multitracks that got stitched together resulting in the same demo but with verses.

What do y'all actually want from a new LP track? I feel like there's gonna be a lot of disappointment no matter what direction they take. 

Personally, I think something like Debris would be a great sound. It's Mike-led, you have the gang vocals to make the whole band feel present on a track that is gonna be looked at through the lens of "who are these guys without Chester", and it has their hybrid sound without being HT/Meteora

Either that, or I'd like a track that is super organic. Acoustic guitars or little distortion, a rhythm section that is expressive, etc. Like Three Band Terror or Final Masquerade Acoustic but with more interesting instrumentation

I couldn't disagree more about the Lost mix, I think the new modern mix makes it more exciting. I especially love the presence of the low end and the drums. Fighting Myself also sounds of a piece with it by comparison to something like Hit The Floor or other Meteora mixes. I'm psyched to hear the comparison with the 2002 mix just to learn from it, but I love the new mix. 

6 hours ago, JZ-GreyDaze said:

 

No need for an official release, the song was just shortened.

I struggle to hear anything that makes me think that is official besides the new little outro, how do we know it's real? 

42 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

Perhaps I'm a bit of a downer, but I like the album as we got it in 03. Lesser tracks means not only that people would have tended to get bored by the 16th song (remember, downloading stuff and making your own playlist was already a big thing in 2003), songs would have less time to shine on their own, comparisons would arise and those new tracks wouldn't be so beloved as they are right now. Being in the vault for two decades makes them very desirable.

Exactly. I really struggle w/ long albums today. It's amazing that they had so many tracks and I'm glad we got them, but cutting them was the right decision (or at least, aiming for a shorter album, even if I would exchange a track for MTV). 

6 hours ago, STRANGELOVE92 said:

I am blown away by the level of completion of these “demos”. Like, we are not talking about asbestos or Too Legit or Pictureboard, these are almost done songs, Lost is a song that almost made the cut, FM is 90% done (Mike’s words), MTV the same, and Healing Foot is very raw and quite formulaic but not that far from being a song that could have been on the record… wow 

This is how I feel exactly. I kept waiting for an instrumental verse or bridge with Healing Foot, and the vocals just kept coming. Unreal. It will be incredible if another lost demo features "complete" vocals. 

Great writeup^! 

If A6 has "complete" vocals, it will be the icing on the cake. If Wesside is a whole new song also with complete vocals, it will be the cherry on the icing on the cake. 

30 minutes ago, NJPLP said:

You also predicted that the Meteora Rob drum track is "Healing Foot", as well as TTTAMP being a full song ("Lost"). I wonder if your prediction of "Resolution" being a demo/early version of "Lost" will be correct. I guess we'll find out on April 7th.

Resolution was the name the person on that recorder was saying in the teaser videos for Lost, so I think it's a pretty strong guess. It would be cool if it had the "TTAMP" vocal on it so we can hear that idea in context. 

I'm still blown away by the surprise of Healing Foot having that full of an arrangement. I still think the majority of the Lost Demos are not gonna have full vocals, but now I can't help but hope at least one or two more will. This is an awesome release. 

Wow, I really was not expecting any other full songs. Healing Foot is a gift! It has a bridge and everything!

I agree w/ a lot of the sentiment here. It's great to have and I will absolutely be jamming to it, but it also slightly gives off demo vibes just a bit to me. Maybe it's because the chorus reminds me a lot of "I Am Machine" by Three Days Grace or because it doesn't have scratching and other layers I'd expect on a finished track. For me, Lost and More The Victim are lightyears above it.

I wonder what the intro sound comes from or the story behind it. Like is it another melody chopped up and rearranged, and where did that melody come from if so? 

10 hours ago, Hybrider said:

It would be super good and the band would gain more success than they have now.

Nah

Do we really only have one Hunting Party demo title? That's crazy. There's gotta be at least some interesting alternate melodies/lyrics to the songs we got, if not more unheard tracks. We know the outro of All For Nothing is something

I wonder if the "Blood Anger Suffering" outro of Figure 09 will be anywhere on the 20th release. Like as lyrics to another demo we haven't heard yet, or if it's on any of the live shows (I'm sure it's written in the setlists here but I haven't looked)

On 2/19/2023 at 6:53 PM, DylHDZ said:

This one is the one I tried, I’ve heard people say they don’t feel like the vocals fit but it does imo

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/yMa__0T_BCA?feature=share

I know, I was just responding to the previous post that said they didn't think those lyrics fit. Your vid shows it's the right key/tempo (unless you altered it). And it's such a short phrase it could fit anywhere, starting on any beat, so I don't know what there is to doubt

I finally listened to the track. Wow, the bridge is very interesting, and a showcase of a bunch of different Chester vocals. I think More the Victim might be my favorite of the 3 tracks, but I can totally see why they went w/ Lost as the lead. It's so Chester-focused. 

I think Numb was the better choice for sure, but this might be better than Easier to Run for me. 

Also, the mix is great. I can certainly hear the modern touch on it, mostly in the drums I think. I'm glad they gave it that, and I'm interested to hear how the 2003 mix will sound. 

4 hours ago, JZ-GreyDaze said:

I wonder if my theory that A.06 is NOT Drag it out it's correct 

 

Those vocals sound off always, it doesn't matter the part where you place them in thr instrumental.

It sounds like it could fit just fine to me: 

I noticed that the Xero page still says that Pictureboard has never been released, and also has no mention of the name Ashes or Flower (though Ashes is described by its lpu moment)

On 2/11/2023 at 2:00 PM, Rasputin 93 said:

It may be dumb for daily music consumption, but it totally isn't when you have a nice surround setup at home for listening to music. Especially ATS could have huge potential for an Atmos mix.

I agree w you, I'd be happy to have a surround mix for a quality surround setup space that the band liked.

But the way Apple and Dolby market it make no sense to me. Most people would get orders of magnitude better sound by just having better speakers/headphones, and Atmos is never gonna translate to retail spaces, the beach, bars, the club...so stereo mixing for such spaces will continue to be an art in and of itself that takes years to master. Their marketing makes it sound like the future of everything will be Atmos when it's just not imo. 

Doesn't mean it won't work ofc. I know people proud of their surround setups and then they'll demo it with YouTube and an all stereo setting on their amp, not even realizing the difference from an actual Atmos source

12 minutes ago, solidss said:

 

The only other version on M20 is the one released on Spotify now. There's also an instrumental demo mix from LPUTV, so that would be 2 versions.

Same as "More the Victim" being released and "Cumulus" is the demo instrumental mix being released

The third version is the 2002 mix, which is only included in the CD set of Meteora 20 but seemingly not the full box set (maybe not on streaming either?)

Also, the video in the game had the word resolution in it, and that game seemed to be leading to Lost, so it kinda makes sense. But yeah, I'm not totally convinced either. 

16 minutes ago, Amaterasu said:

Where did this theory come from that Resolution is a demo of Lost? I have seen no evidence to back this up so far and I highly doubt they would put 3 versions of it in M20.

I am also wondering that

I'm also thinking that people are getting their hopes up too much about things like A6 vocals. I expect it to have some form of vocals, but more like some nonsense scatting and very unpolished takes that won't exactly make for a lot of replay value, like the Mike BTH demo. 

More the Victim is amazing! It's a surreal experience hearing those vocals after dozens of listens to Cumulus. I think I'm decent at writing melodies, but those are so much more interesting than anything I was coming up with in my head 

7 hours ago, JZ-GreyDaze said:

 

quote from MIke about SC : Here's a thing about that song. And I didn't pick that, I don't know who picked that for the first track. It's not a single, we're not doing singles.

I'm pretty sure he went on to say that he liked the song as a choice because it showed that even back then, the band was exploring beyond the HT sound. Also, it's not a bad song. But it absolutely is not the sound the general public thinks about when they think of LP, and for that reason, I completely agree that it would get less attention naturally. I think they could have promoted something like Part of Me to more success tbh.