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32 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

I'm up for any kind of pro shot release, so even it's just one song I'll take it

Yeah agreed. Hopefully we get a live album from this era with some kind of video release. 

Still can't believe a song that has this much Mike singing is this big and played this prominently consistently, I remember when him having vocal moments like this was limited to stuff like The Catalyst bridge 

9 hours ago, LeonardoMF93 said:

 

I think it wouldn't make much commercial sense to release a second album in 2025, since From Zero is gaining a lot of attention from the press and the public. It would be more interesting to continue promoting the album with tours and releasing the singles gradually.

 

Maybe the songs they are currently working on will be released as individual singles, or perhaps they will be used in connection with another entertainment product, like New Divide was with Transformers.

Yeah I feel like this is more likely. I don't see Mike going crazy with the LP name and releasing EPs every year, I think he still really loves the ideas of albums and for huge artists like LP they can still do it. Plus, I wouldn't really wanna see the LP discography diluted with repetitive tracks that might come if they feel pressured to drop an EP every year. I already kinda feel iffy about HITC offering nothing new to the band, but can accept it because of the "comeback" context and Emily showing off the scream. The set also is really more of a greatest hits set than ever, so I kinda wanna hear new stuff that really contrasts with those formulas in the future.

But if they do 1 or 2 one-off tracks that are guaranteed to be huge because of a movie tie-in, and/or something really unique like ALTNC was because of the collaborative nature of it, I'm all for that. Like a mini reanimation 2.0 that continues weird stuff like the 100 gecs collab would be so up my alley 

One thing we all need to keep in mind is Mike's potential to turn on all these songs on a whim lol. We still haven't heard the original THP demos but did hear so many times about how he just trashed everything for THP sound, and I'm sure he's done a few things in the last few years like attempt hyperpop or make more songs that sounded like Happy Endings that he eventually changed his mind on. Who knows what he'll wanna make in 6 months when it actually makes business sense to drop more stuff. Personally I want another ATS weird cycle that just pushes the boundaries of the LP sound further.  

After seeing how Lost and MTV were just set aside with no fanfare for 20 years, I wonder how much great material from 2019ish-2025 we'll have to wait decades for lol 

1 hour ago, martinez said:

Added credits for the song to the first post. Also small correction on the lyrics.

 

 

Now I think we listened to the leak from two different sources. Compared the leak with 24 bit lossless, I don't hear the differences in the mix.

There is none and there is no difference w the MV audio either. Feels like ppl are imagining differences when it's really them just focusing on or hearing new things on subsequent listens. That, or there was a very poor source out there besides the one which was 100% high quality and reflective of what we got 

10 minutes ago, Qwerty18 said:

I've thought about that a few times. 

 

In a way, I'm mildly confident the state of the market has always been in the back of the heads of (some) band members. I re-watched part of the ATS making-of recently, and in there you can see in spots how the band was uncertain and stressed about going full "unconventional" with the song structures and the singles.

 

It's not at all a criticism about the artistic value of the band.  I just think, maybe even unconsciously, this element has always been there one way or another. The amplitude of the its impact, that's something we can never know for sure though.

 

That said, when most of the songs you have written in your career are 2:30 to 3:30, you probably also just mostly enjoy writing sweet brief tracks  

 

Yeah I do agree that they've always been trendy. Also, more songs are short than ever, so it makes sense someone like Mike would just naturally dig the trend and it would make its way into his writing whether he's realizing it or not

On the other hand, we've seen Primo become IBG, so I feel like it's pretty plausible that some of these tracks were longer and trimmed for the sake of fitting a vision that maybe didn't necessarily let the song breathe as much as it could've. Whether that's true of OEO or not, it definitely makes me feel like it needs room to breathe sometimes. Like it's a beautiful ballad, let it have some longer dramatic moments and really live in that space 

I think of every OML track as being pretty lean, and yet every track on that album is longer than OEO! 

One thing idk how I feel about is how blisteringly fast this song moves from one section to another. It feels especially apparent in the bridge with the "are we over each other" part ending as soon as it possibly can for the soft part (which I love), and that part immediately being thrown back into a final big chorus. 

It's one thing to make a song punchy, it's another to cater to today's short attention spans. I can't help but feel like they might have slightly over-optimized the runtime of songs like this and the album in general for brevity 

And I feel like the video kinda exemplifies this with how fast it moves. There's like no context for the relationship between them before the arguing besides one shot of them holding arms in the parking lot. It feels like a storyboard more than a video almost because of how brief it has to be. Feels like this song would've benefitted from the COG treatment with an extended into for the mv 

Cool to have LGBTQ representation in an LP video though, even if not really that explicit 

48 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

How is anybody saying this sounds like One More Light? It's more similar to something like Leave Out All the Rest or Final Masquerade than anything from OML. This is a classic Linkin Park ballad through and through.

The lyrics and melody are very OML, the instrumental in the first verse is very OML, there are no vocals more aggressive than TTM. Even if we didn't know Jon Green was involved I feel like the OML comparison is pretty evident, especially with FF and WAYW considered as OML

Another factor is that almost every second of the song is driven by vocals. No guitar solo, no synth hook, no walls or guitarz. Very OML

I love the song, and I probably like it more than HITC because unlike that song it feels like it's adding new sounds and ideas to the LP catalog. 

The melodies and lyrics are strong and very OML (hello JG), the production is really a mix of almost every album so far, and Emily's performance is great. I wish they really let her off the leash with a few more measures at the end to just go for it and do more vocal layers

I agree it's a bit surprising to see something so soft/different so early, but I love to see it. I think a lot of new/casual fans who are just hyped for this cycle will grow to really like it and it'll expand their tastes accordingly, and it also reminds everyone that LP is more than their top 10 guitar-driven tracks on Spotify. 

I seriously cannot imagine asking for more loud guitars after 2 songs with classic LP guitar walls coming out of nowhere and more heavy songs on the album confirmed lol. LP has been more than loud guitars for 13+ years now and none of this was ever a guarantee, and they're out playing the heavy classics on the road, too. Fans of heavy LP are getting absolutely fed and now fans of the other stuff are getting OEO (which is still heavier than anything on OML, half of ATS and LT)

Maybe official release next week, but for the scavenger to be worthwhile I think it should yield an unlisted YouTube video link or something a few days before so we can hear it early 

21 hours ago, martinez said:

 

I think there is absolutely no problem to release "From Zero (Deluxe Edition)" next year with some new songs.

 

I think people hearing Colin who said that there are some new songs in the making already thinking about new album instead of deluxe edition of FM.

I'm embarrassed I didn't think of that but you're right, a bonus edition would be awesome. But so far they haven't really done that properly yet have they? Like outside the 2 anniversaries, the special editions either have live stuff or stuff that came out for another reason (High Voltage as a b-side on singles at a time where they had only one album, Blackbirds for 8 bit rebellion, etc.) 

6 minutes ago, JZLP-Benningstrong said:

Already Over release anniversary and no one took a moment to remember it, i dont blame you its a bad overexposed song.

 

To this day I dont understand what was the point of this release?

 

during this moment Mike already knew that Linkin Park was coming back and had a HUGE PLAN FOR A MASSIVE COMEBACK

then he did the sessions around the world (which were cool) then he said Shinoda new era is coming like teasing a full comeback solo.

 

Finally Already Over gets that EP with 99 remixes.

 

The dude made a great solo song that he liked enough to release and talk about, and doing the sessions with LP songs and other singers paved the way for the re-introduction of LP on multiple fronts. 

The EP doesn't even have remixes really. If those are remixes, then The Requiem is a remix of The Catalyst. If he didn't name them variations of AO, people would've just been hating on how they're not "full songs" like with ATS

The label probably came up with the "new era" thing along with the pushing for the gaming scape stuff, or maybe he was just bored. Either way, I don't see how it's any more or less pointless than any other one-off singles. Were New Divide and ALTNC pointless? 

I think it's still a great song, the FM mix and Nothing's There mix are both amazing, and I admire how much he put into that cycle now knowing that he was cooking LP 2.0 the whole time, not to mention Papercuts right after it 

2 hours ago, leftshoe18 said:

I bet a lot of these songs weren't originally envisioned as Linkin Park songs, but rather became LP songs later in the process. I feel like The Emptiness Machine was written later in the process with the goal of reintroducing the band after it was decided that they would still be Linkin Park (like, just look at the structure - Mike singing the whole first third of the song by himself anchors it in something familiar with Emily coming in later in the song to introduce the new element all while maintaining that classic Linkin Park sound).  

I agree that the "start with Mike, then intro Emily" aspect was very deliberate w/ respect to the debut single, but Mike already said it existed pre-Emily and Dave as others pointed out. 

I'm definitely interested to hear how all the FZ songs relate in terms of when they were written, and if any were from OML sessions in 2017 or earlier that would be very interesting. I can definitely hear OML-esque harmonies in HITC, I'm sure at least one or two tracks will feel like that album in some way (but with "heavier" production). If OEO feels like a OML song it'll be really cool to have that on the same album as HITC which is essentially a Meteora track 

I love the Jon Green songs so I'm excited, but I'm not gonna get my hopes too high about the diversity of the album. I'm betting it's gonna be like a MTM type sound, or maybe something like WAYW

12 minutes ago, Hybrid1988 said:

LOATR 2017 smokes the medley. I think Lost/My December are better as being the cooldown songs of the show. 
 

I’m heavily biased though as I saw the band a ton when they were playing the medley. I got tired of that one. 

Yeah I don't mean to bring back the same medley and I agree LOATR is really nice rn. But maybe blending Heavy into the end of FF, cutting a little QWERTY outro onto KTTK, something like that would be really welcome to me 

It's a given they'll add some new FZ stuff, I'm more interested to see whether they'll introduce any cool new medleys/transitions. I really miss the ballad medley, the cool runaway/wastelands transition, papercut/blackout, the NMS/Catalyst/UIG/ATLNC encore opener etc.

I know they're trying to include all the hits for their comeback but I feel like there's still plenty of space for some of this stuff  

19 hours ago, Soeffingnaive92 said:

I would take it with a grain of salt because I remember Brad say thery had 200 demos for OML, and we onlty had WAYW leak and FF, so.... But I strongly hope we get a second album of the new Linkin Park soon, like, if they started doing stuff with Emily in 2019 I bet they have more finished songs than the 9 of From Zero. Fingers crossed  

We also got Place to Start and MIUAIG, and we know of titles like Tidal Wave and Ricochet. And just bc there are a lot of demos doesn't mean they're all gonna be full songs 

I think an EP would be really cool, but I wonder if they're gonna drop anything experimental for a while or try to ride the high of people loving "traditional" LP. I do really want Mike to make something weird though, and I want to hear them tackle long 5+ minute songs again 

On 9/25/2024 at 6:35 PM, LinkinMark said:

I’ll come through with the hot take and say this song is bland as hell. Has next to no replay value for me like The Emptiness Machine does. The synth lead sounds like something you’d hear in a Meteora demo and not one that would make the final album. Nice hearing what Emily brings to the table though. 

You know I don't blame you for this at all. The synth over guitars feels a little bit to me like something I'd hear from 2005ish that is derivative of LP and not LP themselves. Mike's rap is also not my favorite at all, very generic and feels like an AI could write it after being trained on all his verses.

That said, the quality of melody is still really strong and LP level, the power in Emily's voice is there and captures the same spirt that Chester had while being different, and the scream bridge is sick. The mixing and production has a clarity to it Mike consistently brings that other bands sometimes lack despite copying everything else. 

But yeah, the track is also insanely safe. The most interesting thing is the fact that the prechorus only appears once as a pre chorus and second time as an opener for the bridge, but its absence in the second verse/chorus almost feels obligatory and awkward. Otherwise, it's a structure we've heard dozens of times, and the chorus melody is strikingly similar to Already Over

I still love that it exists and brings us more of the new LP, and since they're admitting the retracing of old steps with the "From Zero" branding, it works. Also, I think of all the young listeners not intimately familiar with the LP formula who are now hearing it from the ones who do it best. The rap/rock combo will blow the minds of everyone ready for it who weren't around for the past.

But I also really hope there is some interesting new territory on the album for LP, some breakdowns that borrow from sub-genres they haven't explored yet, or just a really good ballad that deserves to sit alongside others the way FM did despite not being that fundamentally different from stuff like SOD or WID.

 

1 minute ago, RYG4R said:

So what's the story for HITC for Arcane S2 soundtrack. I read in LPA that there's a different version which is written specifically for the animated show. what is it?

I don't think we know for sure, but there was a "leak" the other day with audio sung by someone different, sounded soft and mellow. Just a snippet of the chorus. It could be fake, could have been placeholder material to keep the real track under wraps, who knows. 

5 hours ago, Qwerty18 said:

Amen.

 

A weird sounding LP record now, with new members, including a damn new lead vocalist, would just be the perfect excuse for a looot of people to say "see it doesn't even sound remotely like the same band anymore, they're done".

 

Beside, the fact they had fun making this music is what made the band comeback to begin with. Once this line up is settled, they'll probably have fun trying others things too. 

Yeah. While I do love the track, I find myself a little sad that for the first time it feels like LP is retreading without really pushing the envelope on new sounds. That is, until you think about the context you describe, and it also just makes total business sense to roll out their signature sound with the comeback

That said, I really hope at least one track on the album is different and ballad-y, filling the place that BTH does on Meteora on FZ 

With LITE and APFMH, I'm gonna guess the theme of the slot is "high energy songs Mike is proud of", which would make me think Wastelands is a possibility (though it's kinda similar to HITC), Rebellion or maybe Blackout? Check his tier rating lol 

It makes a lot of sense to pick this as the next release, it's so LP, I feel like this is gonna get even more pickup than TEM. 

18 minutes ago, vinifeijo said:

It's almost unbelievable how they kept all of this as a secret.

I want a behind the scenes on the secrecy of their return. How it was planned, all the NDAs they had to do, the codinames, all the planning.

They went to studio with lots of people, they recorded a full album with new members, they built a whole arena tour (with lightning, audiovisual, structure, etc.), they negotiated with venues around the world, they made a video clipe with real and digital capture, they did photoshootings, they did many marketing materials...

The lawyers and management did an AMAZING job.

Same, I still can't believe the full album is done and they managed to not share a single picture of it all this time. Not even a candid studio story from Mike on insta 

18 hours ago, Cesar656 said:

Good performance, Emily and Mike as per usual doing a great job. As i said in the chatbox, the tone of that strat in the solo sounds pretty bad even if played correctly. Wonder if Alex really went for that tone... 

 

Yeah I noticed that too, I feel like they need to mix up the tone on that to match the power it has in the studio track, even if that means forsaking some "accuracy" 

Debut wishlist:

- Powerless

- Mark The Graves

- More The Victim 

- Roads Untraveled (I know it appeared at MS and HB shows) 

11 hours ago, ScottiePippo said:

It's crazy to realize that so many people knew about the LP comeback 

yeah they honestly nailed it, amazing nothing leaked. I wonder if there were codenames and place where people didn't know they were working on LP stuff, surely there had to have been