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9 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

 

There seems to be bigger issues at play here, most notably that the masters for Waiting for the End and Iridescent got swapped out in 2012 and the wrong versions are literally everywhere. Just like Shadow of the Day, No Roads Left, and Across the Line were. That is going to take some sorting out.

Iridescent is wrong, too? I’ve not noticed, but I don’t listen to ATS streaming often.

So it’s at least the five songs mentioned, but maybe more?

10 minutes ago, martinez said:

I finally ended comparing the songs versions from Papercuts CD with original album versions and single versions. Here are the results:

 

01.Crawling (03:29)
 - album version

02.Faint (02:42)
- album version

03.Numb/Encore [Explicit] (03:26)
- album version, but: the 2004 is louder, the volume of this one was a bit decreased
- additionally it has +1 second of silence at the end
- 2024 quality, maybe a small differences in mastering/EQ

04.Papercut (03:04)
- album version, despite not having 1 second of silence at the start like the original version from the 2000 CD has
- very small portion of the end was cut and added to beginning of BTH to create transition

05.Breaking The Habit (03:14)
- contains small transition from Papercut
- album version, it missing 2 seconds with transition to FTI at the end, because it was fade out

06.In The End (03:35)
- album version
- -1 second of silence at the end

07.Bleed It Out [Explicit] (02:44)
- album version

08.Somewhere I Belong (03:34)
- album version

09.Waiting For The End (03:51)
- album version, with fade out at the end just before the blackout transition
- 2012 master with different effects on vocals and guitar loop at the beginning (check the updated post here)

10.Castle Of Glass (03:24)
- album version with just almost 1 second of silence cut at the end

11.One More Light (04:11)
- album version, the last 3 seconds of it were cut and added to BID to create transition

12.Burn It Down (03:49)
- album version, almost 1 second a the end was cut from it
- contains small transition from OML

13.What I’ve Done (03:25)
- album version
- it has an issue with intro fade in, the same

14.QWERTY (03:21)
- it's 2008 version, which means no transition from Annoncement Service Public and extra 2 seconds of silence at the end
- on the Papercuts CD the 2 seconds of silence at the end were cut
- quality upgrade

15.One Step Closer (02:35)
- album version

16.New Divide (04:29)
- the same as 2009 version, 2 seconds of silence at the end were cut
- 2024 quality, maybe a small differences in mastering/EQ

17.Leave Out All the Rest (03:20)
- can't really say if it's single version or edited album version, I guess it's edited album version
- it contains  1 second of silence more at the end comparing to the single version

18.Lost (03:16)
- album version, not 2002 mix, 2 seconds less of silence at the end
- 1 second of ending of it was cut and added to Numb to create transition

19.Numb (03:06)
- album version
- it contains small transition from Lost

Very much appreciating this deep dive into all the nuances on the CD version. Got my 2 x LP during RSD yesterday, so going to try and sit with it today and see what’s up. I did notice a cassette rip floating around, too, but it’s at the wrong speed and still sounds rough even when corrected for.

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2 hours ago, SardonicallyParanoid said:

It is pretty much Rock Band in Fortnite. It'll be applicable soon, they're apparently gearing up to release some stuff on it soon according to some leaks.

 

Yeah, “Numb” was apparently just officially announced, so my comment aged pretty quickly. Seeing it on gaming sites but not sure if there’s an official announcement to link to.

Edit: 

12 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Does Beat Saber not have the same stuff with the stems like Rock Band or Guitar Hero?

No, I don’t believe it does. Only thing outside of Rock Band or Guitar Hero with stems I’ve come across is some of the Fortnite Festival stuff, which I think is just Rock Band lite inside Fortnite. I’ve never played it myself, but I think Harmonix worked on it (anyone who knows better feel free to correct me if I’m wrong).

That’s not applicable to Linkin Park, though. At least not at the moment. 

1 hour ago, LPsMart said:

that wasn't on the Rock Band DLC, but AI does it's job nowadays. It's not the same experience but translates well to what we got from Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

Thank you for the reminder. It’s kind of silly, given I submitted the info about More the Victim DLC to the Newswire when it was announced, but misremembered it as being a two pack. 
 

I think with the release of the Beat Saber stuff towards the end of the year I mixed the two together.

3 hours ago, NJPLP said:

I think that high and autotuned vocal is Chester. That's what I always though, anyway.

Yeah, that makes sense as the obvious answer. It probably is, but it just jumped out me when isolated in a way it didn’t in the full mix. 

On 2/26/2024 at 1:12 PM, thigolpbr said:

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Thanks a bunch for the More the Victim and Sickness RockBand stems. Saw these made their way out recently.

Any chance you have Lost, too?

EDIT: Is that potentially a layer of Mike’s vocal on the More the Victim chorus? Sounds high and auto tuned, but a bit like Mike’s vocal timbre based on his doubling Chester live. Could go either way, but jumped out at me.

41 minutes ago, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said:

Talking about cinematic remixes...

I need the My December cinematic remix that was used in something related to video games.

Game Awards 2020 trailer, I believe. About a month or so after HT20 dropped. The awards are usually in December.

Pretty uninspired remix, yeah? I don’t agree with the decision to abruptly cut the first chorus and the treatment of the bridge.

Best part about it is how forward it pushes Chester’s vocals, but that’s about it. It just feels like a lazy outing overall. 

I can totally understand why the 100 gecs remix wasn’t for everyone (I’m come to enjoy them as artists in my own way lol), but at least it was in their style and they brought what they do to the table 100%. This just feels phoned in to me for what is the first remix of Lost, and I guess the Meteora era in general now (Collision Course not withstanding)?

It’s also a bummer comparing to other contemporaries like Deftones doing Black Stallion (that Mike won a Grammy for). I wonder who the driving force behind commissioning this was.

2 hours ago, Robrobbsen said:

Are the Rb4 tracks decrypted allready or are we talking about potential stems?

DLC isn’t released yet, so all talk is related to potential stems, not multitracks. Pet peeve by multitracks is the wrong language to use here.

https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/stems-and-multitracks-whats-the-difference.html#defining-multitracks-and-stems

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8 hours ago, Ex97 said:

LOL Chester on the PR04 show:

 

’’I don’t think Mike’s ever been violated like that before, it was a new experience for him’’. OMG haha. 
 

Also during APFMH when Chester goes down into the pit he says ‘’There we go, Daddy‘s on board now’’. 
 

Just when I thought the show had no funny banter. 
 

I love APFMH from Manila when they bring the fan up. Just like Rock am Ring 2004. I wonder what ever happened to this guy?? Hahaha. Just some random guy in the Philippines? Or huge fan? Pretty epic that now his moment is on an official DVD.

 

Also, APFMH from Denver also has some interesting dialogue before Chester goes into the crowd for his screams mid song. Anyone know what it is? Is it Joe playing it? I also thought it was funny at one point (can’t remember which song) it says ‘’Lost Footage’’ for like 20 seconds but still plays the audio, was it this show or Manila? I’ll have to rewatch it. I love how raw they are. Man I hope with MTM20 we can get one of those epic Europe 2008 shows we never got a DSP for as one of these style of videos, Greece 2008 comes to mind, Fiore was filming on stage and it’s also a super good show if you watch the low quality videos from it, wayyyyyy better than 2009 Greece. Chester kisses Talinda during Reading My Eyes too and flips off Fiore jokingly which is funny and he sings it differently at this show: really good show. 
 

As far as people fighting about the Lost mixes… there are two so who cares? It’s not like LP gave us the new one only. And it’s easy to find the 2002 in WAV online even if you don’t have the CD. I personally like the 2002 mix but the new mix isn’t bad either, in some cases it’s better actually, I think the drums sound better and some of Chester’s vocals do too, especially in the chorus. I just like that heavy guitar turned up loud, I’m a sucker for that.

 

Also sorry but I have one last question for anyone who knows the answer… So Fighting Myself/Shortcut was not finalized for the main album at the very end then? I say this because Mike said he didn’t even remember there were Chester vocals for it until someone who works with the band found the stems and sent him them and then he added them in. He said fans will think it sounds like a fully done song but it’s not it’s about 90% there. 
 

Does this mean Lost and More The Victim were the true ‘’cut songs’’ from the album? Was More The Victim mixed by Andy? Because I remember the band said they recorded 15 songs for Meteora and I would assume that meant the 12 on the album (Foreword doesn’t count since it’s part of Don’t Stay IMO) plus Lost, Fighting Myself and More The Victim. Interesting, so did they record Fighting Myself as a part of the 15 just without Chester since Mike said he forget the vocals for the song even existed? I’m confused sorry to anyone I am not trying to be annoying. 
 

Last thing, More the Victim and Massive were my initial favorites but I’m now really enjoying Wesside strangely even though I just it was just a typical Meteora instrumental at first haha. I also really kind of like Husky, I think the verses are cool. I always liked Hit the Floor. I know some fans don’t like it. I love how we got a HQ live version too of the song. 
 

I also take back when I said Manila was my favorite… I think Denver is now after watching it in full. But Manila is still A+. Anything from the summer of 2004 is A+, I am willing to bet legit any show on  the summer of 2004 tours was amazing lol, kind of like the 2007 PR or Summer Sonic 2006.

 

 

Some quick answers I can give to your questions: There's a "Lost Footage" bit a the beginning of the Veterans Stadium show while they do what's called the Devil Worship Intro. The actual band footage starts when Joe is changing records to go into Don't Stay. I don't know if there's anything like this on disc (DVD) 3; I haven't gotten to this disc yet.

Mike mixed More The Victim. All the demos on the Lost Demo disc are credited as being Produced and Mixed by Mike, except for Lost, which is Produced by Don Gilmore and Mixed by Manny Marroquin.

We know based on the song board that More The Victim (Cumulus) and Fighting Myself (Shortcut) made it to NRG and had a decent amount of work done there. I would consider those two plus Lost (Resolution) as part of those "cut songs" given their inclusion on the song board with some significant progress. There's one song that got dropped and the question is if it's Healing Foot, given it's drum tracking marker, or if its Numb.

1 hour ago, HFL377 said:

Maybe, and they absolutely did record something on the Wizard Song considering there's harmonies on the "Send me your power" section, but it was probably never bounced down from Pro Tools. 

Yeah, that’s what I mean by the double tracking; Chester’s clearly singing over himself, so *something* got put down. More fuel to fire though, possibly: Chester at the mic for a song we now know he doesn’t feature on. Did they try alternate vocals or did they just do “The Wizard Song” while working on other things? Clearly seems like early stages/demos recording in a makeshift situation and the tracking of “thoughts that take away my pride” at NRG shows that they were reworking stuff well into the official tracking stages. But I’m digressing.
 

Not sure what you mean by bounced down in this instance; like bouncing out a version of “The Wizard Song?” I’m sure they didn’t but I wonder if there’s just like muted vocal tracks in the session if they didn’t delete stuff. Even if they scrapped them from the session proper, if they weren’t deleted from disk, they could still be in the audio files folder. Depends how deep anyone would dig. I don’t think the playlist function was introduced until ‘08. All speculation/wishful thinking though.
 

My thought is do you want to include a song that has the same instrumental and invite that line of questioning again about “The Wizard Song” after being asked for 20 years if you’re not gonna deliver on it? Honestly, I’m probably overthinking it.

I find it encouraging that it’s a real song, because there’s a chance those Wizard Song vocals could be in the session files somewhere. Chester’s vocals are very obviously double tracked, so they did at *some point* commit vocals to hard drive, despite what Mike has said. I mean, they couldn’t remember “Lost” or the “Fighting Myself” chorus.

Team “QR code is the Wizard Song” over here.

With the way the band has been knocking things out of the park (no pun intended) lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new DVD does that classic LPTV fade to black, fades in to Chester and a full “Wizard Song” performance. Wishful thinking? 110%. But if it’s ever gonna happen, it’s now.
 

Anyway, back on topic, but I didn’t expect me to hit so hard putting my headphones on, listening to Mike’s little bit before the song, and then having it immediately go into *that* piano bit. 20 years of wanting and waiting and finally. Even with the lower quality mp3 you can tell it’s a standout from the box. I can’t wait for the hi-res.

”Lost” is obvious absolutely massive in being a finished song from the era and how good it is. “Fighting Myself” is cool and does a great job of demonstrating some of the elements that went on to make up the album; I can hear bits and pieces of “Hit the Floor” and “Faint” in there. But “Healing Foot”? Maybe it’s my “Pictureboard.” I was always far more intrigued by the parts that went unused on the Meteora DVD than the “Mellow Interlude” or the murmurings of unheard songs. (I’m personally holding off on “More the Victim” for now). Though I’m forgetting that it seems like “A.06” will have vocals…

And that’s what I mean. In general, Meteora 20 just hits different. Not to complain, by any means, about HT 20, but a lot of material was well known to anyone who lurks here (save for some very obvious exceptions). A truly wonderful box and the definitive HT experience, but not what this new box has become. I became a fan post Hybrid Theory while it was a thing that was being actively promoted and lived in the lead up to Meteora. I remember how much was said about there not being much else to offer, or the other songs being garbage, or whatever that basically discounted anything that wasn’t on the album. To see this celebration of it and embracing every aspect of this album and giving us songs we could only ever dream of? It’s honestly overwhelming. And on just the physical end, the final collection looked stunning in Mike’s unboxing and I love the choice of the new cover. I was a deluxe edition kid and look at the stage for those tours and the art wall; Meteora’s cover was always supposed to be blue.

I cannot wait for next week.

12 minutes ago, blackout said:

 

Now I agree. It's all about wording only. I understood your first post as "Mike edited these demos" meaning "he changed them, added new sounds and re-recorded some parts" and that's why I didn't agree. However, yeah, it's true that he admitted in the interview that these demos/unreleased songs aren't just exported tracks that they simply put in the boxset but he actually picked the best versions of the vocal recordings and all that stuff. I believe that for some of these songs this was necessary. Mike had a version of Fighting Myself with no chorus so he had to add it somehow for the song to sound full. Considering that the band's manager had some multitracks, Mike had comfort to choose the best recording of the chorus, for instance. For a listener, this minor editing doesn't change anything but the final product certainly benefited from it. I'm glad that Mike didn't change the songs completely, making them sound like something from, for example, One More Light. I'm a big fan of this album but I feel like significantly changing these demos from Meteora era would make them sound really unauthentic. It's not something that I think Mike would do, I'm just speculating. BTW, I'm not arguing with you in any way, just discussing the topic that we are both interested in. 

100% what I was trying to get at and totally agree! Glad I was able to clarify my points; no arguments at all here. 🙂

Now the next question is how I get the manager to send me the multitracks! 😆

30 minutes ago, blackout said:

 

Are you sure? I understood Mike in a completely different way. I listened to the interview today and I think that he meant that he didn't do anything with these demos. Obviously, they are newly mixed and mastered but he said that he hadn't added anything new, hadn't re-recorded his verses in these songs and in general, had tried to keep everything as authentic as possible. He even said that the demos had been created in 2003 and there was no point in changing them up completely. When it comes to Fighting Myself, I believe that he wanted to say that he just hadn't had the version with the chorus which he had to add from another version of the demo which the band's manager had found.

It's worth going back and checking out, maybe I'm wrong, especially with what Mike said in the NYT interview, though it does say it received a "light touch during mixing." But it sounded like getting the multitrack from the manager meant he could go in and pick the best parts available to use, which wouldn't be the same as re-recording or anything anything, but really just using the best pre-existing bits.

EDIT: Not an exact, 100% transcript, but here’s the penitent stuff Mike says:

“I had the opportunity to go in on a couple of them. We had, um, there’s a song called “Fighting Myself” in this batch, as well…”

“Do we have multitracks?”

“He found the session with the multis, um, they were like exports so I brought – I got to take them into the computer and pick through what was there and we had the makings of a chorus that was like 90% done…”

He does talk about not re-recording and "to the listener it's done," but it does sound like some additional post production/remixing was done, it wasn't just like the file he got from the manager exported. Maybe it's too much for me to say "edited/comped," and I had thought he said something more explicit, so that's my bad. But like you said, if he took the chorus from the manager's demo, and then other parts from the demo he had, that's editing stuff together. It's not super clear yet that that happened, though.

But we do know with the new mix of "Lost" that they're not adverse to remixing and that doesn't interfere with the concept of keeping everything authentic, and "Fighting Myself" is also probably technically a "new" mix, even though it's the only version of the song we'll have.

That's all just to say that I find this stuff super fascinating. If I had to pick *one* thing that was the reason for me going to audio school as an adult, it was watching Mike with Pro Tools in the back of the bus on Frat Party. 

Is there any confirmation that the CD in the super deluxe boxset also contains the Andy Wallace mix of Lost? Or if the box comes with a "hi-res" download (doubtful it's anything over 320 kbps), if that's included? This may have been addressed elsewhere, but I'm just catching up with this morning's stuff. It's absent from the description and the track list.

I don't have much use for CDs these days, but it would be good to have a lossless source for the OG mix. It's not mentioned anywhere else on the band's website except the standalone CD set. You'd think that they'd all be the same, but then look at the situation with the vinyl boxsets. It just seems dumb to me to make a two different sets of CDs to keep a single track away from anyone except the diehards who will buy everything. The smaller vinyl boxset bothers me less this time because it feels like less of a repeat with two exclusive records, rather than one for HT.

Not to complain too much, though. Just want to make sure I'm covering my bases.

It's validating today to see confirmation of stuff I'd suggested in the chat: that it's an Andy Wallace mix of "Lost" on the CD and the demo stuff is newly edited/comped together from multitrack sessions, as Mike explained about "Fighting Myself."

I'm really enjoying "Lost" and on the one hand, I think the mix is cool and I'm excited to hear that approach on other tracks, and on the other hand I think it will be cool to compare the two mixes. Knee jerk reaction, I think the guitars and strings will be more pronounced than some of the electronics on Andy's mix.

23 minutes ago, Bambitt said:

Well songs on OML are a whole different story 😀 GG or SFN are one on the worst songs in their catalogue

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion and responding to this threatens to derail the thread, but I’m also baffled when people are so critical of “Good Goodbye” and call the verses weak.

it’s just funny how people perceive things, because I think it’s arguably the best track on the album. Pusha’s verse could be better but still interesting, Stormzy’s (who I like as an artist separately) verse is solid, it has a big chorus and very cool instrumentation. But then people are like “the raps are weak,” like there aren’t weaker verses on Reanimation. 😂

Don’t mean that as a direct attack at anyone though, just my own thought/observation. I’m sure I have my own LP hot takes people would question.

18 minutes ago, CFRANS said:

 

It says FRONT COVER on the top, almost invisible (I guess that's why they're using this 'wrong' version? nobody saw it? hehe)

Wow, I totally missed that, but seeing it now that's pretty bad haha

Artwork of the album cover that was embedded into the official Japanese download that went live at midnight on Friday the 9th, local time. Nothing totally new (except for the white border, maybe?), but seemed worth sharing the first official instance of it being attached to a new music file.

21 minutes ago, HybridSuns said:

So, a question that I haven't been able to see answered. A lot of people have reposted the tracklist for the Super Deluxe box, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what's on the Deluxe CD set...

Additionally, I found out that the vinyl in the Deluxe Vinyl set are Meteora, and both LPU and Live Rarities, but surely the LPU portion is 2xLP? The image seems to only have one but that disc is about an hour which doesn't fit well onto 1LP

If my memory from yesterday isn’t completely shot, the Deluxe CD had “Lost” added to the main album after “Numb,” and included the LPU Rarities as a second disc (much like Hybrid Theory 20th digi-pack CD included the B-Side Rarities).

I’m pretty sure the Deluxe vinyl was listed with LPU Rarities as 2 LPs and Live Rarities as a single LP.