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Actually, I liked Hybrid Theory before I liked music in general...One Step Closer still remains in my 10 favorite songs ever. Happy Birthday!

Some comments on Mike's blog will not change anything IMO. Just to point it out, there are thousands of people who are coming to LP shows, and seeing a minority of those being angry about the setlists is not enough to make Mike and the other guys change their mind. Until a big petition or something similar is not done, we will have the same setlist over and over again, at least during the european tour.

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02. Foreword

03. 10 min silence

04. Foreword (Remix)

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Other idea:

 

A country dance session!

I've been a musician for 10 years (16 if you count when I started singing). My family's musical heritage goes back at least 3 generations. My dad's a drummer who's had tinnitus for longer than I've been alive. I'm already developing tinnitus myself, from years of listening to loud music in headphones, and my telemarketing job (where I make phone calls wearing a headset 5 hours a day, 6 days a week) probably isn't helping either. Needless to say, I know a thing or two about it.

So ok, seeing all the reactions concluding "It sucks" didn't help me to consider your first post seriously. Sorry for that.

You're more at risk of developing tinnitus by listening to music in headphones than you are by going to a loud concert. Loud sounds in high concentration at close proximity are what cause tinnitus in most people. That's why my dad's tinnitus is far worse in his left ear - being a drummer, having his hi-hat ringing in his left ear all the time brought it on. A 2-hour outdoor concert at between 100-110 dB isn't highly concentrated because the open air dissipates the sound, and it isn't in close proximity for anyone except those who are directly in front of the PA stacks (and even then, it's nowhere near as bad for their ears as headphones).

I can assure you that the worse tinnitus sufferers are "victims" from concerts. First, headphones sound level is often regulated to 90-100 db max (in Europe, at least), whereas live shows top the 110 and sometines 120 db. Then, with headphones, you generally turn up the sound level progressively. But, in concerts, it all goes right away in your face. A "booooooooummmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!" is less dangerous than a "BoooooooooMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" for the ear, because she has the time to get used to the loudness. Yes, headphones are maybe causing more ear problems than concerts, but concerts are generally causing worse problems. Tinnitus, but also hyperacusis (can't hear a sound without suffering).

 

Most governments get it - the industry average is what it is for a reason: It works. It's loud enough to fill pretty much any venue, but it's not painfully loud to the point that it damages people's ears.

You're right. I have to admit that, yes, 95 db was particulary soft for a show. I'm not against concerts at 100-105 db (even though I always wear ear protections), they're more fun and people at the back can actually hear the band for the performance they've paid for. It's logical. What pisses me off was the reactions on this thread, which seemed to say "Fuck sound restrictions! The louder, the better!". Sound restrictions can be useful, if they aren't too severe

 

Then you have the occasional politicians who probably have ulterior motives ("rock and roll is the devil's music!") who push for noise restrictions for no reason other than to shut down as many concerts and parties as possible. Of course, that wouldn't go over well with the general public, so they use "noise pollution" (one of the most laughably absurd phrases ever coined) as a front to get people to agree with it.

If this is a reason for restrictions, it's clearly a bad reason. However, second time I will say it, live shows can be very very very dangerous and I know there are restrictions because of that. In Belgium, a lot of parties can't go over 105db, not because David Guetta is evil, but to protect everyone health.

People going to concerts should be held responsible for the risk of hearing damage. The government shouldn't need to "protect" people from something that's completely voluntary in the first place.

Ok, but then, there should be way more advertisment to prevent people from noise danger.

Well, I think everyone is responsible for himself. On every ticket you can read "Loud music can destroy your ears" and things like that. So if you attend a concert you know what to expect.

Hmmmm...not really. Generally, people don't realize what are the risks until they actually have problems. That's why I think those restrictions are really good and safe. Maybe they were a little too strong in Argentina, but every concert should have sound restriction rules.

 

It's a rock concert, it's SUPPOSED to destroy your ears. If people want to listen to their music loudly, it's their own damn choice. It's not for any gov't to meddle in, good intentions or not.

Don't want to offend you or anything, but I was thinking the same way when I was 15. Now I have some regrets. If you want to destroy your ears, that's your problem,; but some other people might want to go to a show, have fun, and be safe at the same time. There's a difference between loud, and super extra uber fucking heavy loud.

That sucks hairy penis warts.

 

....until they change the ridiculous restrictions.

 

Yeah that sucks.

 

Wow, this sucks. Thanks for posting

 

fucking Goverment!

 

this sucks ! It's a ROCK concert dammit ! It's supposed to be loud...

 

This!

 

What's the point of having a rock concert in your town if you don't let them rock?!

OK. All of you....you don't FUCKING know what you're talking about. Maybe some of you will think I'm an ass or whatever, but I totally support the Argentina governement on this one.

 

Do you know music at too loud level can destroy your ears? Basically, do you know what tinnitus is? Probably no. Tinnitus is a constant ringing in your ears, and once you have it, it's for the rest of your life. I have a "soft" tinnitus, due to listening to music at super heavy level. But I'm not here to complain about myself, that would be ridiculous. The fact is, I've always hate all the bastards who put the music at super super loud level during live shows, and who endanger everyone health because "loud = fun". I know its more fun...but what's the point of destroying its entire life for 1 show? I don't talk about myself (like I've said, my tinnitus is soft), but some guys have commit suicide because they couldn't live with an alarm in their head. People taking restrictions about sound level during live show are getting lot of insults in this thread, but do you think those restrictions are really useless? Do you think there mind is like "Ok, let's go soft, that will piss people off! Great!".

 

Now I'm not saying live shows all should be very soft, because THAT would be boring. But fuck, 95 db is already loud. Max 105 db. But after, it's just stupid...

Looked cool, except Mike trying to fire his lazor was kind of random

Classic signatiture

 

BTW, for what we can see, the clip has potential, but Chester seems to be overplaying way too much, like he was a bad comedian. He has already done that in the past (Crawl Back In, New Divide), but now all those movements make him look like a caricature of himself IMO...

I just saw it on Mike's blog, and was like "Oh, this is awesome!!!! I'm going to post that on LPL, it will be my first news! Yeah!". But you beat me at it ...

 

Anyway, really cool shout out

I will also quote what I've said in the other thread...

Yes, it sounds identical to the album version, almost sure. And I don't understand why Mike is doing that since there's no shame to only use sample of this female voice. It would make way more sense than faking a performance by him singing like a female...

But he could also sing very low along the studio recording, like somebody said. What doesn't change the fact he looks stupid with that freaking female voice IMO.

This. I'll compare to the CD version but I am 99.9% sure this is lip synched. Mike is pretending to sing it when he's not.

Yes, it sounds identical to the album version, almost sure. And I don't understand why Mike is doing that since there's no shame to only use sample of this female voice. It would make way more sense than faking a performance by him singing like a female...

 

Anyway, I loved the videos of WAK, seems like it will become a killer live track (as we assumed).

"I made my mind up three years ago: I don't want to scream anymore,"

I can't describe how I hate this sentence...but well, it's like that....

 

Interesting interview btw.

This thread makes me see LPL like a secret agency who has sent some of their spies to NY to collect informations....

99,9999999 % sure that The Requiem will open the show.

 

Waiting For The End, The Catalyst, Irredescent, and WAK will be the other ATS songs being played. All in all, it would be 5 ATS songs in their first real show, wich is prety decent.

 

For the rest, nothing exciting I guess. New Divide + HT singles (minus Papercut and POA) + Meteora singles (minus SIB and LFY) + MTM singles.

I'm kinda surprised to see all those good reviews about ATS. Because, in the same moment, new LP record is being heavily criticed in France/Belgium. I visited a lot of french sites today (yes, curiosity), and most of those are describing ATS as one of the worst shit ever made (WTF...). It's getting ratings like 2,5/20 // 4,5/10 // 1/5 //...Haters gonna hates, yes, but I had such never seen so much hate about LP....

Amazing stage, liked Chester voice, but Mike's one sounded horrible IMO. And now, I can finally get some sleep...

it's a lp website not bimber one..

Was irony in fact ...but the f*cking strikethrough didn't work and it made me looks like a Bieber fan...lame...

Wow...so many people here are enduring the VMA's torture right now...

Justien Bieber performance was kickass!!!

I would rather just see them play Waiting For The End over a chopped up version of The Catalyst, seriously...

Agreed.

Seems like they didn't really enjoy the ATS process.

Mmmmh...good review, but the writer is a little bit exagerating. Blackout the most hardcore LP song? WAK chorus the best Bennington chorus ever? MTM, one of the best rock record of the decade? ATS, 5 stars?

 

Here, we don't have an extremist hater (as in "The New York Daily News"), but an extremist lover...

Yeah, „What the hell"-Moments. I had those many times in the Studio. We threw around the wildest ideas and often acted knowingly against our own instincts.

And that's why you sound more Pop than ever?

Owned.

They're still playing Numb? I have a really bad feeling that they'll only play ATS and softer songs from the prior albums on tour. I want to hear songs like Papercut, One Step Closer, APFMH, Don't Stay, Lying From You, Faint, From The Inside, Given Up, Bleed It Out, No More Sorrow, Qwerty, stuff like that. Nobody likes Numb. Lol.

Seconded, but obviously (and unfortunately), old soft songs from LP fit ATS songs much more than their heavy songs....

IMO, the fact LP has gone very soft is mainly due to Mike's music tastes at the moment, but other part of the reason could be Chester's voice, indeed. Seriously, do you guys really think Chester could still scream and sing with agressive voice on 10-12 tracks on a single record? I don't. Yes, he's still able to do it on a couple of songs, but that's all.

someone asked if they were going to release any heavy songs on the side like QWERTY, Chester said during the Minutes to Midnight recording process, they went through a very heavy guitar phase and he even said in interviews that the album was going to be the fucking heaviest LP album ever. Then towards the end of the process, they just ended up picking the songs that they felt sounded the best and interesting which ended up being the softest album ever, he said from that point he would never talk about a record until the songs were picked and he felt like jack ass haha.

Mmmh...I'm going a little off-topic here, but it would be pretty insane to hear some of the material from that "heaviest LP period in history" on LPUX...

After having listened to the whole thing 3 times, I can now say: this album kicks major-ass! Not a rock or metal, but a music masterpiece. The band was right when they were saying ATS is a journey, because it really is. Atmospheric stuff. Burning in the skies, Waiting For The End, Iridescent all have killer melodies. When They Come For Me, Blackout, and Wretches And Kings are the heaviest tracks on the record, but in a weird way. Chester vocal performance on The Messenger is one of the strongest he has ever made

 

I'd love to say ATS is the best LP record to date, but it's hard to compare it to their precedent work. Hybrid Theory also was an epic album, but in its own genre. The level of energy and power it contained is as great as the level of creativity and musicianship put into ATS.

 

Now, despite the fact ATS has an enorm potential, LP will have to accept they will loose a lot of fans with it. Majority of the 10-11-12-13 year fanbase will hate it for being "Commercial soft shitty music". Majority of the metalheads who still liked LP will move on to something else. And even some of the so-called "hardcore fans" won't like this new record, because, yes, it doesn't sound like LP.