Garret

Let’s put it this way - I’m content with listening to the original Grey Daze stuff if I ever have an urge to listen to Grey Daze. Done with this carnival act of a release. 

Don’t you guys think it would be awesome if DBS did a project like Sean did with Grey Daze? They could re-imagine the songs, the 13 songs that made Out Of Ashes, and maybe the other 5 or so we know about that weren’t included with the album. 20 Eyes is a cover so probably not that one, naturally. Would be awesome. Many fans hate what Howard did with the album so this would be really cool, it would be a new chance for the DBS stuff to be done right. They could have some guests too, perhaps some people Chester admired just like the Grey Daze project did. Maybe Chester’s son (s) on a song or something too? Would be really cool IMO. And it would be a great honor to Chester. They could use some alternate vocal takes too just like Grey Daze did. Chester wanted to get DBS back together in 2017 so this would be a cool way to honor that as well.

Tons and tons of stuff to talk about here. Don't want to go on a tirade and be labeled as an asshole in this particular thread.

16 minutes ago, sordomuda said:

Ive tried to open this link and 3467743827374883 viruses started to be downloaded on my phone so i dont recommend opening it lol. 

WTF thanks for the heads up. Tried on my phone but it didn't work. Don't need viruses. I hate when people post shit like this.

4 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

Yeah but Hahninator was calling Kiiara "completely unknown" and that's what I was responding too. Probably should have quoted him since there were a few more responses between his post and mine.

Ahh my bad, I realize it now. But yeah she was way more known at the time Heavy was released as opposed to this Convolk guy. She had a huge hit in 2016 with Gold, I remember.

15 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

I hadn't heard of her either but that doesn't mean she was a nobody. She had a number 13 billboard hit before working with Linkin Park.

Yeah but Kiiara was way more known than this Convolk dude. JZLP's original post and mine were calling him a nobody. 

4 hours ago, Hahninator said:

Updated the show page with a few notes from the show as well as the recording. Listened yesterday, will give it another listen today. Great show.

Chester's scream on the Faint bridge is so intense he has to skip the next scream part, haha.

Huge fan of the encore. My December, P5hng, APFMH, OSC is maybe the best run of four songs they've ever done in a show.

Yeah it’s embarrassing to listen to Chester scream at a show from 2009-2017. This is way better. Love it. 
 

And yeah the encore is a dope group of songs. 

7 minutes ago, PartOfMe said:

I would like someone to someday find some audio recording of the band when it was still hybrid theory

Same. Would be epic to have a show from like 1999 or whatever. Has to be a recording out there, either people don’t know about it or someone has it stored somewhere and doesn’t realize it, etc. Look at the recent clip of Xero playing in 1998 for example. Was online since 2014 yet nobody knew about it. And also before that I bet the taper didn’t even realize how rare it was. 

5 hours ago, TripCore said:

 

Audio came out garbage. The end of the mic was loose. So every time i moved and spiked the levels. 

I think I cut out one channel then split the good channel on both sides. 

 

Yeah Last time too because he was a week away going to Mansfield before he died.

Before that, I was suppose to see Chris Cornell the next day too before he died.

That’s crazy!!! I was also going to Mansfield. But can’t believe that you were gonna see Chris the next day too. That’s just insane. 

Thanks for sharing. IMO PR04 was leagues above the Meteora World Tour but this recording is still great to have. Perhaps the biggest reason as to why I don’t love the Meteora World Tour is because I find all the audience recordings from it to be of terrible quality. This one is decent though. I’d love a DSP from a show on this tour. 

If this is really for new ''Linkin Park'', that's pretty weird. Some random SoundCloud rapper (is that even a thing anymore?) is going to work with Linkin Park on their big comeback? A lot of artists are kind of dumb and think that working with Mike means Linkin Park, look at Young Buck for example, he said in 2007 that he was working with Linkin Park when it was really just Chester singing some lyrics he wrote on one of his tracks. So it's probably something like that if anything. Or maybe Mike produced a track for him or something, you never know. 

Saw these on Twitter earlier. Awesome photos. The first thing that I came to mind when I saw these was Drop by Kenji & Artofficial. Haha.

I was at that show. Last time I ever saw Chester at a live show. I have your audio recording from the show and still listen to it. Was so good. Thanks for sharing this.

The quality of the vocals is pure and utter shit.

30 minutes ago, SasstielExperience said:

Dude what? You paid money to be part of a fan club. It wasn't some exclusive thing, it wasn't limited in any way. In no way was it ever a privilege or an honor. Not saying this new merch bundle is outstanding but come on lol

I think what he meant was that back in the old days it was ‘’cool’’ to be a member of the LPU. I didn’t join the LPU until 3.0 but I can imagine it just have been cool to have been a member in LPU1 or LPU2. LPU3 was still cool, so wasn’t LPU4. I didn’t go to any LP shows in the Meteora era because I had just become a hardcore fan in 2003 and I was also pretty young and just didn’t really pay attention to the live stuff until like 2005 and by that point the band was basically on hiatus from touring, at least in my area and mostly everywhere else at that point. Could have gone to Live 8 but I didn’t yet have a driver’s license since I was only 14 at the time of the show and nobody would bring me. Would have been a 5 hour drive. Anyways I’m sure meeting the band back in the early days of the LPU was pretty awesome. They had epic shit too like the LPU Newscasters and stuff. Invited LPU fans to the Faint video shoot and tons of other stuff. Did a whole free tour for LPU members in early 2003. They even kept doing some of this stuff in 2007-2008. But besides that, the merch package that came with the membership was cool back then. Merch wasn’t as ‘’everywhere’’ as it has been since like 2007. So having a LPU shirt was awesome back then and so wasn’t having all the little stuff that came with the membership. The internet wasn’t like it is now and people didn’t just buy shit off eBay and stuff because it was hard to find, members kept their stuff. You had to join and wait for your package to come. The website was also amazing back as far as I can remember when I joined in 3.0. It was legit the best place for hardcore LP fans until LPLive became the best place in 2008 (birth of the good forum). Once LPU switched over all it’s shit, the message board became garbage and the site did too. The site used to be epic with the layout. It was easy and the skins and everything were just epic. It was all taken care of very, very nicely. The LPU was also awesome with how I was able to meet Fort Minor at their show in Boston on 2/3/06 (my first ever concert). Was pretty cool that I was afforded the opportunity. I also got to meet LP 4 times in 2007, the first being at Bamboozle, which was my first LP show ever. And I don’t care what people say about the Meet and Greets being better in later years, they weren’t for me personally. Because I got to meet the full band 4 times in 2007 (also at every PR07 show I went to, the 3) and they were all super nice and let me take pics, talk with them, etc. I wouldn’t trade those memories for the world. So I thank LPU for that back then. I also loved the other stuff like I mentioned in my original post about how you got cool stuff like the newsletters at the end of each year and other little things that just made it cool. The music was also amazing from 2-6 because we got stuff that was super rare at the time to get from the band and also great live tracks that sounded amazing. 6 was the perfect number for a track listing and I liked how it was a mix most of the time. But even the live CD’s were awesome to me (3, 5, 7). LPU8 like I said I hated at first but grew to absolutely love it as a release. It’s honestly one of those things where you had to be a member back then to understand how special it was, partly because it took place in a time that was essentially pre-social media and life was just different.

55 minutes ago, JZLP said:

Awesome post Garret you basically said e everything that was awesome about being a member of the LPU

 

Back then it was a privilege an honor 

 

With my sarcastic post i was trying to say that the packages will never be special anymore 

 

It's just merch without heart. 

Thank you man. It definitely was way better in the old days.

23 hours ago, Hahninator said:

Thanks for this.

At least both Numb/Encore performances were released. I guess some people didn't know that as it's hard to notice that unless you are paying attention.

Take 1 is likely what is on the Collision Course DVD, in my opinion. You can hear that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlF2FMv968 Jay-Z says: "Thank you for making all that noise tonight, we really appreciate it... far too kind."

Take 2 in my opinion is what is on the MTV Mashups video, they use the talking between songs from take 1, and then the Numb/Encore performance from take 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wnxBgjuiSQ Jay-Z says, "Thank you thank you for coming out tonight... MTV Mashup." The crowd is noticeable less enthusiastic on the parts where they cheer too, which is why I think it is the second take of the song.

And of course the MTV Mashups uses stuff from both take 1 and 2, mixing it all together, so there is no way to specifically tell what is going on but I really think the Collision Course DVD is take 1, and if you A/B them, any differences you find with MTV Mashups means it is likely from take 2.

 

Dude thank you for breaking it down. Didn’t think about all of this. I’ve always loved the CD DVD cuz 1. I love the documentary and 2. The little live set sounds epic. Chester’s vocals sounded so good. I remember Mike said MTV ‘’fucked up the lighting’’ so they had to re-do the set. It’s interesting that we still don’t have the full set or have heard anything from it aside from the Hip Hop medley. They played Don’t Stay and other songs. Never even realized the line from Numb/Encore was on both takes done different. Great post. Anyways I think the set on the regular DVD is Take 1 for sure. They gave MTV take 2 because the whole reason they even re-did the set was cuz MTV fucked up the lighting according to Mike. The MTV special was the one shown on TV and shit. So of course they wanted it perfect.

Honestly, the band fucked up by giving us a demo CD each year since LPU9. The reason I say that is because fans expect it so much every year. It was even more hyped than albums at some points within the fanbase. And people expected fully completed b-sides as all the tracks, even I’m guilty of it. They should have just told us all to suck it and kept on releasing the 6 track CD’s each year with a mix of tracks like studio songs, live and remix, whatever. Live wasn’t that bad. Would have been great to have after the DSP’s stopped too. LPU8 got hate because it was so different for the band to release something like it. Mike even said fans told him it was ‘’slap in the face’’ from the band. Even I didn’t like it back then. Hahninator either. Basically everyone hated it. But a year or so after it dropped and I actually grew to love LPU8, it was actually genius, and we still got what would have been a partial LPU8 on SFTU (My December from 2008, Hunger Strike, Crawling with Chris) and probably the LOATR remix would have been on a regular LPU8 too. And probably they would have just thrown a live We Made It on there or something else live from 2008 and called it a day. We all know that the band didn’t want to give us 10-12 demos each year because they didn’t like doing that but the fans were such dicks to them that they kind of had to. It’s why we never got the cream of the crop but did get some middle of the line stuff, I still don’t think the band wants to share demos to this day, look at WAYW. They could have maybe done LPU9 as like 6 demos of their biggest hits at the time (ITE, Numb, WID, ND, and 2 more) and then after LPU9 just did the normal LPU’s. I mean 2-3 years after Chester’s death and fans are still asking for the demo CD’s. Proves my point that they fucked themselves with it. 
 

As far as the merch went since LPU9, mostly nobody ever cared, it was all about the demo CD only, another reason. Before that fans DID talk about the merch part of the LPU pack, a lot. 
 

IMO, the golden years of the LPU were 1-7 as far as packages go and basically music too. The packages for 1-7 were great. And I loved how you were mailed a newsletter at the end of each year that had a ton of cool stuff and had a poster on the other side. That was epic. I loved having to order the package right when the online site went up and there was a bit of mystery until the package came in the mail. I know that’s just a sign of the times back then because social media and smart phones weren’t really a thing yet but still. Although Best Buy did start carrying those LPU boxes starting with LPU6. Still was cool. My friend actually worked at Best Buy at the time LPU6’s one dropped (the first one ever actually) and he somehow got one from the back room. We had the CD before even fansites had it by a few days. We listened to it at our work on the CD player we had there and cranked it up. Was awesome. LPU7 has a newsletter too but you had to order it and it was a small booklet , different from the poster ones. Still was epic though, I love that LPU7 booklet, still have it. LPU8 had that digital one in 2009 so it was lame. And the packages after LPU8 were always kind of blah. It’s not just cuz it was the end of the MTM era, I know that’s what everyone will think as to why I say that. But the packages did get boring to me and the designs were kind of crap. The quality of the shirts also went down a lot. I remember the LPU12 shirt was basically destroyed after a few washes, where as I still wear the ones from 1-8 to this day actually. 

9 hours ago, jFar920 said:

 

What relevancy does that have here? Just because OML hate was brought up doesn't mean it's rant time. Why can't this just stay in the shoutbox?

I’m quitting the site for good.

6 hours ago, Hahninator said:

 

Oh yeah we will likely never reach the level of the OML backlash again lol. That was wild. People HATED that album.

That album was pure trash besides NCSM. Horrible album. The band didn't even write the songs LOL they had some shitty 13 year old pop song writers come in and write the songs. The sound was something I would expect to hear in like High School Musical or Barney or something like that. Definitely wasn't LINKIN PARK at all, don't give a rat's ass what anyone says, it wasn't Linkin Park at all. Didn't suit them at all. They gave up, they started having people write their music. THP was their last album, the throwback to the rock and metal sound, and ALITS was the closing track, the lyrics fit perfectly, they experiemented a shit ton on MTM, ATS and LT and THP was their return to their original influences to close out their career. Just how it is. You're wrong if you disagree. At least Chester wanted to leave us with a great track at the end too, Cross Off, that shit is a monster. Mike should be jealous.

33 minutes ago, Hahninator said:

 

Is there even a known recording of that show? We don’t even have a 100% accurate setlist for that show. The encore is just based on LPU reviews. I pieced together what I could find. Astat and I sat down ages ago, like 2007-2008, and ran through that info and decided on the set that is currently up. It could be off by a song or something, I’m not sure. 

I thought there was for some reason. I thought it was the LPJZ songs plus the regular PR04 set??? Probably a super unique set then. Maybe they didn’t play LFY, Papercut, Faint, Numb, ITE, POA or OSC so they could do the CC songs.

What are the chances of us getting Holmdel 2004 FLAC?

14 hours ago, martinez said:

https://we.tl/t-u0OfC8YTG6

 

https://we.tl/t-HSZLnVGlld

Thanks, I now have it saved on my computer. Thank you again. Great little set.

Chester said in a making of DBS video that ''half  the record that you hear was written post Minutes to Midnight''. We know Inside Of Me and Condemned were both written during the final stages of making the record with Howard, according to the KROQ interview. Chester is also seen playing Too Late on acoustic guitar briefly during one of the making of videos as well, which could mean it was also written around that time. I think it's very possible that Crawl Back In was as well, and maybe even End Of The World. Astat said End Of The World was the T-Rex song that Mike was referring to when Chester showed him the songs, and it very well could be, but keep in mind that Mike said that in early 2009. That original demo board posted by Julien-K back in 2007 didn't list any of these songs and when Amir was asked about the titles that didn't appear on the album, he said that they were all songs that never got finished. So it kind of confirms that. Not to mention that the Demos CD that was leaked in 2018 didn't have any of those songs, it had 6 songs from the album in demo form and then the 20 Eyes cover and Morning After, which was a bonus track for the album, as well as the remix for Morning After that was released on Underworld Evolution's soundtrack back in January of 2006. Throw In The Darkness on there, which we know existed previously but was not released on the Demos CD for some reason, and I think those are the original songs, while the others were written in 2009. Just my two cents.

5 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

Just because something is a tribute doesn't make it good. People are allowed to voice their negativity if they want.

Agreed. And basically all the comments in this thread are just saying that the quality isn't that good, like bad mixing or whatever, I haven't seen any personal attacks at Sean or Mace or whatever in this thread. The shoutbox yeah but even then it's just my opinion or other people's opinions, nobody is stopping this release from coming out by voicing their opinion, if people love this and  want to listen to it, they can do that too. Look at how much negativity surrounded some LP albums in the past, way worse than this. The reality is that all these songs existed as far back as the 90's and even though they re-recorded music or added guests, it comes down to whether you like Grey Daze or not, not all LP fans are going to love Grey Daze.