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2 minutes ago, MrCinder said:

And they couldn't have gotten Steve McKellar? or Sydney Sierota? I don't think they're too hard to get. I'm on that LP theory

Exactly. The LP thing does actually make sense to me. And it’s so stupid anyways. I’ve already seen people say things like ‘’Wait LP as in Linkin Park? OMG’’ and stuff like that on social media. But in reality people will listen and then realize it’s not in fact Linkin Park and be bummed. But it does give them that Spotify/Apple Music stream and in some cases an album sale. It’s BS.

Pretty awesome. I don’t think we can say it’s the start of LP’s comeback or anything quite yet but anything to keep fans connected is great.

10 minutes ago, sordomuda said:

Collab with that LP singer is the most irrelevant and out of nowhere thing i have seen in a while. I really like her though and have respect for her but wtf is she doing over there i have no idea. Literally no connection to Chester. Not even close. Beside the same shortname as his main band lol. 

It’s funny as hell Sean said ‘’Chester told me he loved her music one time’’ or whatever. At this point they can claim literally anything because they’ll just say Chester told them or Chester said, etc. It’s easy to say a dead man said anything, happens all the time after a person dies with people. I agree with Astat that behind the scenes they wanted her because her name was LP. Haha. I could just see them thinking that behind the scenes, obviously they would never come clean on it. And plus Shouting Out had a female vocalist back in the day so it was a no brainer for them.

35 minutes ago, MrCinder said:

 

Gonna toss in an observation of Julien-K's promotion of Time Capsule. Fans asked if they were releasing Chester and DBS tracks and they said how they're working to try but licensing, etc. can be messy and it might just not pan out. No claims like GD with their "WB wanted to wipe our music from the internet even tho that was actually us".

 

Front of the album is artwork, back is the 3 core JK members. Chester appears in the booklet with them, not from an LP performance. Brandon Belsky also appears from JK music video shoots, not from his other band's performances. Using a photo from Linkin Park material that has nothing to do with Grey Daze outside of Chester being in both bands in his life is trying to capitalize on the brand recognition of LP.

Everything you said is correct and I agree 100%. I have Time Capsule and the photo with Chester was from 2005 when Chester was living with Ryan Shuck at his house. It was actually from when they were rehearsing for the REact Now 2005 performance. But yeah. And they did include Chester on the release, the two live tracks from the 2011 acoustic Stars of the Season show, even though that show was a set of DBS/JK and The Messenger. Chester is heard all over the DTA stuff and the demos for it buried in the mix because he was 100% involved with all of the writing for that album all the way up until it’s release. He was also the executive producer for the album. Ryan and Amir are classy people who aren’t douchebags like Sean and Mace. They never bragged about him being as involved as he was in a bad way and never bad mouthed LP. They weren’t like ‘’Chester hates LP and wants to be with us full time’’ like GD is basically implying. I’m sure down the road they will release some of the DBS stuff that is unreleased. But they won’t do it at the fans expense, I guarantee it. 

16 minutes ago, Hahninator said:

 

This is the equivalent of Dead By Sunrise or Stone Temple Pilots selling a photograph of Chester on stage with Linkin Park on Summer Sanitarium 2003. How do you not see that as an issue? It is completely separate of the project. They are doing it to sell copies. 

Couldn’t have said it better myself. 

1 minute ago, sordomuda said:

This. 
 

i would totally buy a poster with Chester from GD era or even the whole band. I would not say about it a cash grab whatsoever. Would be an awesome thing to have. Yet they chose his image from LP era that is not connected to GD times at all. It simply doesnt make any sense. 

Agreed 100%. Photo isn't even relevant to the project whatsoever. If they had one of those group shots of Grey Daze from the 90's for sale, I'd buy that. But they don't want to promote Grey Daze as a band from the 90's. They are forcing it almost like it's some new band that Chester created right before he passed, like a day before he passed for Christ's Sake. They even took those portraits of the 4 of them and made it look like they all took a photo together for the album. Sean wants fans to forget about the original GD music and era.

18 minutes ago, Subs said:

 

I'm familiar with it all. I also seen something about them not wanting to take sides. It may very well be them taking a shot at LP, and it may not be ! We don't know. 

 

I would use a poster of LP era Chester too ( providing there's no copyright issues ) Why wouldn't you, its how chester is known to fans all around the world, not many casuals know of grey daze, if any. 

 

Promoting this album is NOT a crime. If you want to say its a cash grab, then fair enough, no proof of that though. I would market the hell out of this thing as best as I can if I were GD.

So why not focus on the actual music from the get go instead of all the drama and the psuedo shots at LP? Like the documentary was stupid AF. Just talk about how we joined the band and his story with the band and about the reunion. Why do they need his toxic family and other shit? They don’t. 

14 minutes ago, Subs said:

I'm not even disputing the photo thing. I just feel like a lot a whole lot of bullshit has been thrown about in addition to this.

 

Like when everyone was up in arms about them liking Tobi's tweet, has it occurred to anyone they may just be liking that they were described as a brotherhood, and isn't a shot at LP like this forum is seemingly passing on as established fact ?

 

There's been a ton of assumptions on here, my favourite so far is that they have LP as a guest singer to ' trick ' casual LP fans. Complete horseshit. Some valid points about the pictures,  but mostly everything else is a whole lot of guesswork and a bit of a witch-hunt. 

Yeah but you must not be familiar with Tobi’s posts, as well as Susan’s and Sam’s, etc. She was making a point with her ‘’IS a brotherhood!’’ statement. She has said many times that LP wasn’t a brotherhood and that Mike bullied Chester, etc. So for them to like that comment, it’s not right. And besides, Grey Daze basically feels the same as they do about it. So it was throwing shade subtly. Many of the things they do are. Many hardcore LP fans have noticed this, basically all the biggest LP fans that have supported everything essentially for years. That’s the problem. And the photo thing, it speaks volumes about Sean and also his reaction to it does too. He also was saying we don’t need Linkin Park blah blah blah but used a picture of Chester from a 2007 LP show for a GD poster? Cmon. He also kind of does need LP fans actually too if he wants to sell anything with this album. The name Chester Bennington is known because of LP not GD, just a fact. 

52 minutes ago, Hahninator said:

I canceled my preorder after seeing the conduct of the band on social media and their complete lack of respect for the Linkin Park fanbase.

Hell yeah. Wish I never had ordered the WITE single. I never ordered the album.

1 minute ago, sordomuda said:

 I know but sometimes the first take might sound different than the last take right. A regular listener wont find out any difference anyway. 

You’re correct it just doesn’t interest me that much. But hopefully people will enjoy the album, I have nothing against anyone who likes it. 

11 minutes ago, sordomuda said:

 I agree. Do the Whats in the eye and Sickness contain any unheard vocals though? I havent compared them to original versions side by side yet. 

All this hype about alternate vocal takes is nothing much. It’s the same as like the backing vocals on NCSM with Chester singing the same thing slightly different. And they probably aren’t even that different at all. Sounds like one was used for that Hole remix for example judging by the video. That’s all it means. They only starting saying that once fans brought up that it was the same vocals from the 90’s so they could try and make it seem better.

35 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

 

But it's not like anything here is actually new and all of Chester's contributions can be heard already through the original versions of the songs. I'm still curious about hearing that stuff in a new context but Chester didn't actually contribute anything new to this project.

Agreed 100%. And the supposed ‘’alternate vocal takes’’ are still from the 90’s either way. They’re not much different at all from the vocals used back then anyways. Lol.

15 minutes ago, sordomuda said:

Why they have scrapped the first project and reworked it years later? 

Because Chester put it on hold to work on Minutes To Midnight and that lasted up until early 2007, and then LP went on tour for Minutes To Midnight which lasted until the end of Projekt Revolution 2008 (since the 2008 China shows after it were all cancelled). Ryan said that the album could have been done at the end of 2005 if they had wanted to call it done at that point. We did get Morning After (Remix) on the Underworld: Evolution soundtrack though, in January of 2006.

1 minute ago, JZLP said:

I want to see the proof man not words. 

Hopefully Astat can provide it then. It's true 100% though so you don't really need proof but yeah.

On 2/8/2020 at 12:36 PM, sordomuda said:

I would love to have something like that. These demos that we have are leagues above the actual album. If we could only get the rest of the songs that we dont have ughhhh. I actually listen to the demos a lot. Chester in his prime. 

Yeah I know... Imagine getting that original tracklisting Ryan had on the demo board at his house in 2007. My ultimate holy grail. Probably was the tracklisting for the fully done album in 2005 before they decided to re-work on it after PR08. Even if they don't re-mix the stuff or re-master it or whatever, I'd love if they released that album to us in any way, shape or form. I'd pay tons for it.

5 minutes ago, JZLP said:

This community has become like a Hilary Vs Trump debate we attack each other using the same arguments over and over and over again

 

And I'm part of this too lol

 

Do we really have a proof that they stole pictures?  That would be interesting for me. 

Yeah dude, they stole Wesley's photo and printed in on merch and stuff and sold it and when he asked them about it, since he took the photo, Sean said ''too bad, I found it online''. Or something like that. Astat was talking about but other fans know of it as well. And again he took a photo that was used for LPU back in 2007 and was selling a poster of it, not sure if he has the rights to that one though, but still. And there are probably more examples. 

52 minutes ago, JZLP said:

It's good marketing it kinda is Chester's lost music ask to a group of 100 LP fans only like 10 or less would know about the existence of Grey Daze. 

No it’s not. I’ve never come across a LP fan online who didn’t at least know what Grey Daze was, even if they didn’t know all of their music. It wasn’t a secret project. They released those albums back in the 90’s and they played many shows. Lost music to me implies that it was music that Chester recorded that never was released to the public in any way, shape or form. He didn’t even record new vocals for this project anyways. Yes, they may have ‘’used some alternate vocal takes that nobody has ever heard’’ but it’s essentially the same stuff. So even if LP fans didn’t know about Grey Daze, it’s still not lost music to me, as lost music is what I defined above. I don’t even really care anymore at all about the project. I just thought it was funny that the sticker on the CD at Target had the lost music quote for people who don’t know any better, it’s being sold as such. 

LOL the sticker on the Target CD says the lost music of Chester Bennington. 

2 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

 

Laura Pergolizzi she's a Warner Bros. artist. Goes by the stage name "LP."

Damn I really thought that was a guy. I’m sorry. 😭

17 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

 

Wait like Linkin Park?

Nah it’s some other guy, he was shown on the documentary.

4 minutes ago, MrCinder said:

Honestly, I've become so much less excited about this release the further it goes with promotion. They worked with Julien-K, they need to ask them for advice on how to promote. I doubt they have more material - I think it's an attempt to sell more of this album with an inevitable "oh yeah it didn't perform as well as expected so we can't pursue the other releases"

Well they do have more music they could do. There are songs from Wake Me and No Sun Today that aren’t on this release. And they could also add in some demos and b-sides that they have (no idea how good of quality the vocals on those are, though). I agree that the whole ‘’if this album does well we will do a second or third release’’ is bullshit, though. I also am not a fan of this project at all and I won’t be buying any of the vinyls or any of that. Perhaps I’ll buy the CD with the two bonus tracks but idk. 

1 hour ago, JZLP said:

Note: The interview was recorded with an iPotato then transfered to VHS and converted to 96kbps mp2. 

So it sounds like the new What's In The  Eye in other words?

12 minutes ago, Hahninator said:

 

Alright I will try to set things straight for where I stand on this. I don't want people thinking I have the entire website ganged up against Grey Daze or something. It's quite the opposite, I just came here to say I was unhappy about one aspect of it and then bam the floodgates opened from other people. Right now we are working on two significant LPLive projects behind the scenes so I am not fully involved in all of these conversations.

I don't think it is a cash grab at all. Chester was fully on board with this and wanted it to be done. We have a lot of evidence of this and I don't think anyone should question that. For them saying he wanted to re record vocals on it, we will never know if that was true or not but we do know 100% that he wanted to do this project. And we know he wanted to do the reunion show. For that reason, I don't think the cash grab term applies.

I think the guests are a good mix of folks, they talk about why they brought LP (girl) singer on board etc. The only weird one is Head from Korn because of the extremely disrespectful comments he made after Chester's death. But I think the Bush, Helmet, other Korn, Julien-K guests are all awesome. Let's see how it sounds. And it's good Chester's son is on it. Sean has a history of doing well with the remasters, because he completely nailed the early 2000s remaster he did of the album. Huge fan of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN-BUeVrsmU So I would be inclined out of the gate to completely believe that this project will be GOOD musically. Jay is a producer who knew and hung out with Chester personally - he even went to the Stone Temple Pilots Jeff Gutt private show with Chester, so that was a good move to put him in charge. Then you have professional musicians joining them at NRG. So by all of that taken into account, the music is likely going to be really good.

The issues I have with it are just the way they are marketing it. There is no way they did not see (in the press) Chester's toxic family completely divide the LP fanbase at an emotionally rough time for everyone and trash Mike Shinoda in doing so. While those same people are destroying Talinda right NOW, who has been nothing but class to everyone, they are still reposting them on the Grey Daze social media. I don't like that at all, as someone who is 100% pro-Shinoda. They made quite a critical mistake by involving Chester's other family besides Talinda in this because of the feelings of the LP fanbase towards them after they (1) trashed the Hollywood Bowl show and said it was classless, (2) said Mike Shinoda is profiting off of Chester's death by playing "In the End" (Piano Version) live, and (3) completely trash Talinda as much as possible online when she's made it her #1 goal to help the LP fanbase with 320, etc. That was THE big mistake here, in my opinion. The GD guys don't see the DMs on Twitter we and LPFanCorner get from fans who are trigged by these things online. So putting his mom in the mini doc? Not smart. Remember, the LP fanbase has had history with these GD guys before - such as when they were selling fake (signed) GD CDs on eBay. We've worked with them to release older shows and archive GD's past though and I am quite thankful for that, but Sean himself is who told us not to allow the GD albums to be shared on LP fansites while he is also claiming WBR tried to wipe GD off the face of the planet online. We all know that's not true.

As far as the MUSIC is concerned - I am excited to hear it.

What it boils down to is I think these guys are pretty unfamiliar with how to do music press as their main jobs are outside of the music industry. Sean is talented and successful in other areas. So I think without having years of press under their belts and some coaching, they are coming off as unprofessional to some people online. They should never say something negative about LP's record label online like that, they shouldn't comment on Facebook like "we don't need Linkin Park", etc... it's THEIR fanbase they built from scratch that you are trying to advertise this to, so yes, you do need them in ONE way (not saying LP should/will/would ever endorse this project). The band goes off script and has leaked pretty much all of the information about the project early - things like that. I am sure no one involved on the Loma Vista side knew this all was going to happen and that the band would need some true social media / press / media coaching up beforehand but that should be a BIG focus if they want to do a second or even third Grey Daze album of this material.

I think it would have gone a lot better if they had a real social media director who did not let the band members post at all, if they had someone guiding them before doing press, if they did not involve the extremely trashy CB family that has pissed off hundreds of thousands of Linkin Park/Chester fans by declaring a social media and press war against Mike Shinoda who worked his ass off to save the entire LP fanbase after 7/20, and if they just stuck to something like "Hey guys, we are releasing an album out this date, Chester wanted us to finish this project, and we can't wait for you to hear it" -> release.

 

Well said. My issue with this project was never the actual music. It’s just how they have been handling it, press wise, for all the reasons listed above. I have no problem with them releasing the actual music and I will listen to it, I even pre-ordered the physical CD of What’s In The Eye. I just hate the press stuff that has been going on. I wish they would release more stuff like that Making Of What’s In The Eye video because it described the process of making the song and what it meant to Chester way back when, stuff like that is cool to me. The other stuff is what turned off a lot of people. 

All the OOA versions were drastically different from the original versions. I like the originals way better. That’s why I thought it maybe a reimagining could be great. They could use the old versions and make them sound awesome and fresh.

Take the original ‘05 release that was finished and re-work it, re-record instruments, polish it up, add guests if you want, shit like that. Ryan and Amir said it was done at the end of ‘05 and could have released it then had Chester wanted to. I think the tracklisting on the JK site in 2007 was that CD’s tracklisting. I bet the instrumental and introutro song were badass. Probably some dark ambient type shit.

35 minutes ago, Broman said:

I’ve had this thought on my mind for some time. It’s easy to put words in the mouth of a dead man. This interview alone makes it sound like Chester was tired of LP and slowly trying to drift to any other band to fill his rock needs

Exactly. Agreed 100%. And we know it’s not true. Mike said Chester was talking with the band about the future of the band and was super excited right before he died. And he also said Chester was super excited about the shows with Blink coming up. We didn’t even need proof though anyways.