Top 5 Worst Decisions In LP's career

[Soeffingnaive92]

58 minutes ago, JZ-GreyDazePatheticWorship said:

 

Yeah 😂😂😂😂

[martinez]

Speaking of bluray.

 

Very long time ago they released some music videos in full HD - Shadow Of The Day, What I've Done (even with 5.1 audio) that was only on Bluray disc and not on youtube or other places.

[Soeffingnaive92]

Not putting out WAYW, I mean, throw Chester on the chorus and on parts of the verse alternate it with Mike and maybe rewrite some lyrics to make them less generic and you could have one of the most successful singles of post MTM LP 

[StraightTrappin]

Crazy how much I have change my views in a 5 year span. Now with HT20 and M20 out and all that, I’d like to revisit this with a true answer. 
 

01. Stopping the DSP’s

02. Turning LP into a brand circa like 2012

03. Not having a proper/longer touring cycle for LT

04. Doing HT in 2014

05. Not releasing Japan 2006 😭

 

The DSP’s should have never stopped. I wish we could get all the shows from the end of 2012 to Birmingham 2017 in DSP form, as well as those 2008 Summer Europe shows we never got. Is this stuff on a hard drive somewhere? Could be. 
 

I hated when the band made a LP a brand and started doing all the big collabs with clothing companies and other products starting in 2012. Was annoying AF and they kept it going right until the end, but they pulled back a little on it in 2017, but not much, still having Mercedes in the Heavy video, etc. Art before anything else IMO. And I liked when the band just sold regular band merch not all the crazy stuff. 
 

Living Things got the shaft out of all of their albums. Honda Civic Tour wasn’t really their own tour and it didn’t hit a lot of places, it was kind of clunky if you look back it it, they should have had a proper US tour maybe in the winter or 2013 or spring after Soundwave. Wasn’t the album a number one album? And Burn It Down was fairly successful. So yeah. And they just didn’t play much shows for the album even on the tours. Needed more shows and more Living Things songs in the set. In My Remains should have stayed for all of 2013 and I’ll Be Gone and Powerless should have definitely been played, same as Roads Untraveled. Castle Of Glass should have been played way before its debut IMO, ditch the ballad medley for it, have it on summer 2012 shows. 
 

I say they shouldn’t have done HT at Download 14 because for one it was strange, no one celebrates a 14th year anniversary. It wasn’t fair to other places in the world either. And it was just weird how they played it without any live intros/outros on the songs and then just played there newer stuff after it. Was a weird show IMO. I would have told the owner of Download I wasn’t playing the festival if they told me I could only headline if I played Hybrid Theory in full. They could have sold out another huge UK show some place. It also kind of overshadowed The Hunting Party IMO, they even released the audio for it, 2014 should have been about that album and the shows should have focused on it. 2014 as a whole felt like a ‘’Greatest Hits’’ tour , the set was strange. Didn’t like it. Luckily in 2015 it was fixed a bit. But the set needed more THP. Not sure why Mike was making a live set even before the album was done with studio songs, rmemeber that mix? Should have just reworked the set with new songs like they always did. No mash ups, no shortened songs, etc. and play more songs from the album, they could have easily played Keys to the Kingdom, War and Mark The Graves live, A Line In The Sand should have been on Carnivores. And it was also weird the tour was called Carnivores since that’s what Chester wanted to name the album as shown in LPUTV. Should have been called another name if the  album wasn’t going to be called Carnivores. That whole time period of 2012-2015 was shitty for the band IMO and being a fan, I think they shaped up in 2016-2017, because the live set was back to normal and much better and the the cycle was more proper. 
 

Lastly is just my little gripe. Tokyo 2006 , probably the best the band ever sounded. Needed to be released in full somehow. Better be with MTM20 and not over looked. Can be any show from that tour but one of them. Hell, Sendai is my favorite show of all time. 

[Soeffingnaive92]

UPDATE: 1) Excluding "Friendly Fire" from OML, damn that song is the embodyment of pop LP with personal and intimate lyrics, such a strong song, I don't know how it lost with songs like SFN, GG and Heavy (with Kiiara). Not only I would have put it on the album, but 100% it would have been my pick as the 2nd single 

[RYG4R]

1. Stopped working with Don Gilmore - With third release, they can go bigger than HT and Meteora combined. Could even bigger than Rick Rubin's Minutes to Midnight. If we got, let's say BRONTICUS as their third album with Don Gilmore, easy commercial success.

 

2. Worst decision for stating that, "We don't make albums like we used to, We check the list of collections of songs and release it as an album" - They should've had take risk after ATS. Go crazier with their sound. Releasing LT was a total regression from ATS and I was disappointed when it came out.

 

3. Self-producing THP -  God, they couldn't even get someone to guide them with that album. They should hire an external producer. 

 

4. Decision-making in choosing songs that ended up in OML (album) - FF is the pure definition of pure LP sound. The drums are crisps and articulated, the production is top-notched and no trap beat sounds quirking in the background.

 

5. Mike being avoidant with Hybrid Theory and Meteora sound - It's clear that they were exhausted with those sounds. But Mike should remember that they are on top above everyone else with that sound. No one can do better with that sound beside LINKIN PARK. He got cocky lately with his statements that revisiting that sound is not challenging anymore. He added that it's gonna take him 30 minutes to write an album with that CLASSIC LP sound. 

[bloodbath]

Isn't point 2 contradictory with 1 and 5? Keeping up the classic LP sound but also going further than ATS

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

From Zero Era

 

1) Having a really short album with only 10 tracks 

 

2) Releasing Heavy Is The Crown so quickly 

 

3) Releasing a repress of Collision Course 20th anniversary without any single bonus

 

4)

5)

Edited September 21 by JZLP-RoadsUntraveled

[Soeffingnaive92]

On 9/22/2024 at 1:54 AM, JZLP-RoadsUntraveled said:

From Zero Era

 

1) Having a really short album with only 10 tracks 

 

2) Releasing Heavy Is The Crown so quickly 

 

3) Releasing a repress of Collision Course 20th anniversary without any single bonus

 

4)

5)

About n.2 I 100% agree 

[martinez]

The whole contribution with LOL

 

On 9/22/2024 at 1:54 AM, JZLP-RoadsUntraveled said:

3) Releasing a repress of Collision Course 20th anniversary without any single bonus

 

This has nothing to do with with any CC20.

 

The band is back again so the label re-press some old releases and that's all. Living Things will get the re-press vinyl and it's currently for pre-order too.

[RYG4R]

3 hours ago, martinez said:

The whole contribution with LOL

 

 

This has nothing to do with with any CC20.

 

The band is back again so the label re-press some old releases and that's all. Living Things will get the re-press vinyl and it's currently for pre-order too.

 

LIVING THINGS re-press, which cover? The lion-head or the frozen Human Torch cover?

[unksoldier2000]

not in a particular order...
1. not picking Forgotten / By Myself / A Place for my Head as HT singles (i mean... Points of Authority as a single... like, really?)

2. not releasing Meteora remixes
3. not working with Don Gilmore again
4. not releasing Brazil 2004 Chimera Festival concert footage
5. lefting much content out of HT20 boxset.
(there's alot more)

Edited September 26 by unksoldier2000

[LinkinMark]

On 1/24/2024 at 10:32 PM, StraightTrappin said:

I hated when the band made a LP a brand and started doing all the big collabs with clothing companies and other products starting in 2012. Was annoying AF and they kept it going right until the end, but they pulled back a little on it in 2017, but not much, still having Mercedes in the Heavy video, etc. Art before anything else IMO. And I liked when the band just sold regular band merch not all the crazy stuff.

When Talinda shouted out AMG in her speech at the memorial show, I almost puked in my mouth.

[mrfox]

After years I see only one biggest mistake, and it is releasing One More Light album. 

[unksoldier2000]

35 minutes ago, mrfox said:

After years I see only one biggest mistake, and it is releasing One More Light album. 

i mean, the only two songs that worth on that album  IMO is OML and Talking to Myself, the amount of ghostwriters, random features and the whole background before, at and after is really dark... 
they didn't had to do an album like that at all, sadly they did.
at least they did good shelving it in this new tour.

Edited September 26 by unksoldier2000

[mrfox]

1 hour ago, unksoldier2000 said:

i mean, the only two songs that worth on that album  IMO is OML and Talking to Myself, the amount of ghostwriters, random features and the whole background before, at and after is really dark... 
they didn't had to do an album like that at all, sadly they did.
at least they did good shelving it in this new tour.

 

it is really sad when you hear "The Emptiness Machine" and "Heavy Is The Crown" so great LP songs...if only the released something like this in 2017

[Qwerty18]

I've read a few times that those new songs should have come in 2017 but I have a different opinion.

 

As bangers as those tracks are, they hit much more when you've got OML in between. It brings more variety to their discography. TEM and HITC in 2017 would have been less surprising and more cliché. In 2024, they hit the sweet spot for a comeback.

[bloodbath]

On 9/22/2024 at 1:54 AM, JZLP-RoadsUntraveled said:

From Zero Era

 

1) Having a really short album with only 10 tracks 

 

2) Releasing Heavy Is The Crown so quickly 

 

3) Releasing a repress of Collision Course 20th anniversary without any single bonus

 

4)

5)

Isn't that a little bit too soon to throw shit about the new era with those BS claims?

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

10 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

Isn't that a little bit too soon to throw shit about the new era with those BS claims?

Yes

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

The OML promo tour was pretty sad and Boring.

 

Performing those awful songs in piano or acoustic versions to random crowds who didn't give a fuck was so awkward.

 

There's a video of them performing at Spotify HQ and a girl in the back looks bored as fuck and instead of watching perform the band she's just checking her laptop.

 

😂😂😂

 

I felt like Chester was acting like AJ from the BSB.

[bloodbath]

8 hours ago, JZLP-Benningstrong said:

The OML promo tour was pretty sad and Boring.

 

Performing those awful songs in piano or acoustic versions to random crowds who didn't give a fuck was so awkward.

 

There's a video of them performing at Spotify HQ and a girl in the back looks bored as fuck and instead of watching perform the band she's just checking her laptop.

 

😂😂😂

 

I felt like Chester was acting like AJ from the BSB.

The actual tour was great, but the idea of acoustic promo shows sounded much better in theory than in practice. Although I dislike as much as you OML the positive was that the band tried to test their limits and perhaps realize that not every thing they do comes out great 

[Qwerty18]

Yeah, I didn't vibe with the OML cycle at all, be it the promotion, the reception, the live shows, or the record. Even down to the pictures with the cowboy hats and whatnot, totally not my thing ^^'

 

But I think the band was having a good time with the tour, so there is that.

[Soeffingnaive92]

I loved the acoustic performances of OML promo tour, very intimate. But I admit I missed the excitement of rocky LP