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3 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Where did you find these samples? They sound cool!

Twitch.

Released in the US on November 22, 2005, Fort Minor's sole studio album "The Rising Tied" will be turning 20 years old at the end of 2025. In the past few years we have seen Linkin Park's first two studio albums, "Hybrid Theory" and "Meteora," turning 20 as well and, to celebrate, each album received a box set containing numerous previously unreleased songs, demos and live recordings along with newly edited documentaries. In celebration their 15th anniversary, the Linkin Park album "Minutes To Midnight" and the Dead By Sunrise album "Out Of Ashes" have also received special releases with additional content in recent years. This has led many fans to question whether The Rising Tied will be following this same pattern.

The last activity from the Fort Minor project dates from 2015 and all subsequent solo work from Mike Shinoda has been released under his own name, which suggests that Fort Minor is pretty much done at this point. Being the only studio album released under that name, The Rising Tied was reissued in 2023 with all the bonus tracks from the original special edition and tour edition of the album as well as the 2015 single 'Welcome,' which had never been a part of any album before.

The inclusion of 'Welcome' in this latest collection opens the possibility for more material recorded around that era to be included on a potential 20th anniversary edition of "The Rising Tied."

Although the project only materialized one studio album, many other recordings have been released in other formats under the Fort Minor name, like the long requested "We Major" mixtape, which is currently unavailable on digital platforms; the Fort Minor Militia (official fan club) exclusive tracks, which were never released anywhere outside the long gone FMM website; and the Sessions@AOL live EP, which is exclusively a digital release and doesn't include the full show. Also worth noting are collaborations and miscellaneous tracks released by Fort Minor collaborators such as:

• Trades Of The Tools ("Tools Of The Trade" Parody) [From MySpace] - Space Invadas (DJ Cheapshot & Vin Skully)
• The Battle (Extended Mix) [From The Gatalog] - Celph Titled feat. Mike Shinoda
• Cover & Duck (Demo) [From The Gatalog] - Celph Titled feat. Styles Of Beyond & Mike Shinoda
• Hey You (From Razor Tag) - Styles Of Beyond feat. Mike Shinoda
• Hard (MS Remix) [From Razor Tag] - Styles Of Beyond
• Second To None (From Razor Tag) - Styles Of Beyond feat. Mike Shinoda
• Magic Doors (Portishead Remix) [From YouTube] - Mike Shinoda, SoB & Green Lantern
• Remember The Name (Cheapshot Remix) [From Cheapshot's Poo Poo Platter] - Fort Minor feat. Styles Of Beyond
• Remember The Name (Kaschke & Mauer Remix) [Remix Contest Winner]

Back when the Fort Minor Militia exclusive songs were being posted, the person in charge of uploading these songs commented in May 2006 that there were "several more songs," but after 'Move On' was released the following month, the releases stopped. Some of the known Fort Minor titles that remain unreleased are:

• Watch Their Mouth [Seen in The Making of The Rising Tied]
• Tampa Finals [From unreleased "Street Dreams" soundtrack]
• Most Kings
• Diamonds
• Episodes
• Player
• Organized
• Traffic
• Zion
• YO

This could also be the perfect opportunity to release some long requested hip-hop collaborations from Mike Shinoda recorded up to 2005 such as 'Whatever The Fuck' (Mike Shinoda & Ryu of S.O.B.), 'Unreleased' (Visionaries feat. Mike Shinoda & Mr. Hahn), 'Mike Shinoda Freestyle' (DJ Vice feat. Mike Shinoda) and collaborations with LMNO, Chali 2na and DJ Whoo Kid for which the titles are unknown. Back when 'Welcome' was released, Mike Shinoda also mentioned he would be using a verse recorded by Ryu on a remix of the song.

As for live recordings, there are plenty of options for a potential release as many shows were partially streamed online or partially broadcasted on TV. This would be the chance to finally release them in full. These are:

• Pukkelpop 2005
• Sessions@AOL
• Fuse's 7th Avenue Drop
• Jimmy Kimmel Live
• Summer Sonic 2006 (Osaka and Chiba)

Another idea is a compilation of TV and web performances, many of which never surfaced in good quality or are currently considered to be lost:

• MTV Overdrive
• Last Call with Carson Daly
• Tonight Show with Jay Leno ('Remember The Name' and 'Where'd You Go')
• Asian Excellence Awards
• CD USA
• MTV Total Request Live
• Conan

It's also worth mentioning that Ethan Mates mixed the Fort Minor show at The Exchange on June 29, 2015 for a release that never happened. Note that this doesn't suggest there's a video recording of the show, but it does confirm an audio recording.

Other potential video content for a "The Rising Tied" box set would be The Rising Tied Limited Edition DVD, Fort Minor Militia DVD, Fort Minor Militia Exclusive Videos and Official Music Videos. More detailed information can be read here.

Do you think there will be a "The Rising Tied" 20th anniversary edition?

If so, will it be a box set or a smaller release?

What would you include in it?

2 hours ago, Ryanz said:

The same as what? It's an interesting question to ask imo:
1. Are Rhinestone and Esaul the same as the LPU versions?
2. We have the same HTEP version of And One on all the demos we've heard, but are Carousel and PoM the same as the HTEP versions or closer to the 9/8/7-track versions in terms of arrangement (different drums and samples, vocal takes)?

3. Which available version of SuperXero is the same as what the LPLive guys heard? Is P&A the LPU 12 version?

Yes.

1 hour ago, LPsMart said:

Just starting to read this thread, holy sht!

 

Idk if anyone has pointed this out yet but it says Soundtrack on the Pointilism sheet in the top right corner. Idk if it's Mike's handwritting, I think not.

According to Jeff's book, Mike was creating the song for a soundtrack.

https://linkinpedia.com/wiki/So_Far_Away

5 hours ago, unksoldier2000 said:

with that being said... does that mean that they were giving this stuff to the audience? or to the venue to play?

does that make any sense? i'm just thinking that, lol

It's more likely that the CD was sent to label executives. Maybe to media people (radio stations, magazines, etc.) too, but it's likely of one those things intended for internal review only, not public broadcast. Also note that for several similar CDs that are out there, we have versions of the same CDs with different dates. Off the top of my head I can think of the 9-track "Hybrid Theory Demos" CD, the 6-track demo and the OSC Remix demo.

Keep in mind that Linkin Park planned to release an EP in 2000 and the debut album was only supposed to come out in 2001, so it's natural that they had a Hybrid Theory EP in 2000. Another thing to think about is that High Voltage did only come out in 2001. They might have copied an old promo CD so people could listen to the upcoming song. Maybe Kids and And One were in consideration for b-sides as well and they wanted people's opinion on which song to release. Who knows?

2 hours ago, bloodbath said:

Knowing the number of leaks of HT demos that have been since day 1, I think nobody would notice if "somebody" broke into his home and casually upload of all them to the internet...

Please, don't break into people's houses.

52 minutes ago, EgorN said:

November 28? After HT release?

Yes. It's just an internal CD from Warner. The date isn't indicative of when the songs were recorded, it's just when the CD was created. There could be a million reasons for its existence.

35 minutes ago, unksoldier2000 said:

that's kinda weird... also why And One outro was splited? is it a full song or just the part that we know?

As I already said, And Two is just the rap at the end of the Hybrid Theory EP version. And One was always played live without it.

35 minutes ago, unksoldier2000 said:

not to mention the old title for Cure For the Itch i guess?

Like I said, it's the Studio Finals version, not the album version.

12 minutes ago, mrfox said:

already have track no. 2 on my PC under the name "Weight" so it was probably mentioned in the interview thread or in shoutbox. I'm not sure if it's 100%

Nothing is confirmed. As far as I know Dave Garrett never found his tapes. All his Xero demos were unnamed in his computer. He only figured out the title of Deftest after Mike talked about it on Twitch.

53 minutes ago, unksoldier2000 said:

i think we will know that soon enough, there are some weird samples there.... DOU_BRAD&JO, Pencil Beat

about Ashes, it's pretty obvious that it has the Ashes_Be sample.

Can you post DOU_BRAD&JO?

1 hour ago, unksoldier2000 said:

about Pictureboard, how different it was? it was similar to the released version? (which i believe is the audition version judging that terrible mix)

or it was more similar to Mark's whispering version?

Not sure. I think it's similar to the released version.

1 hour ago, unksoldier2000 said:

so And One shortned version wasn't there? or they didn't listen to all the versions?

Didn't listen. Too many CDs.

1 hour ago, unksoldier2000 said:

also, the Xero Cassette tapes didn't have any tracklist?

did the guys saw any of that? i mean, we all know they there were some cassette tapes with Dreamer and Weight.

They didn't see them, only CDs.

Updated this list with the new discoveries.

By the way, I think LAURENCYM could be something by Lauryn Hill from her 1998 solo album The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Maybe Mike misspelled her name.

SNEAKERBASS1 is certainly something by Sneaker Pimps.

1 minute ago, JZLP-Benningstrong said:

So according to this...

 

Chester was actually a member of Xero for a brief and uknown time!

I was under the impression that he joined when the band was nameless or already were Hybrid Theory.

They were still legally called Xero when they signed to Warner.

"Complete Demos" disc:

- Different version of Untitled, which they described as raw, epic and their favorite thing they heard all day. Completely different mix and take than anything we've heard and different white noise rhythm at the intro too, like an extra click. Chorus sounded heavy, super grungy. Even earlier vocal take than the Untitled that we all know and both Mike and Chester sound very young.

- Ashes is the Xero Reborn LPUTV song. It start's with studio banter: young Brad says like “put it at the fastest possible tempo I can rap at” and everyone laughs in the background. The song is pretty much exactly how Jeff described it in his book. It isn’t very good.

- Blue and Could Have Been sounded the same or at least very similar to what we have.

- Turn To Grey was terrible. The song is really weird, very choppy rhythmically, and had some vocals that supposedly don't belong to Chester, Mike or Mark Wakefield (Mike and Chester were both on it in other places though). It legitimately sounds like both Mark Wakefield and Chester are on it, but Jeff said "no, just absolutely no way that’s possible." Described as "fucking crazy with abrupt song style changes into crazy shit" and "a shit show track." It has "a really shitty Mark chorus then goes into a super soft Chester part and the vocalists sound so incredibly different from each other I just have an impossible time believing that’s not Mark."

- Fiends sounded the same as the Rapology version.

- Slip with Mark was very similar arrangement-wise but the lyrics were totally different. The "this is the sun behind the rain" pre-chorus was the only part they kept. The song was a little faster than the version with Chester too.

- Chester's verse vocals on Pictureboard sounded like a different take.

- Everything else sounded the same.

5-Track "Xero" disc:

- All songs with Chester.

- Carousel and Part of Me were both different versions.

- Some different Chester vocals on the Part Of Me pre-chorus. The samples of Chester's vocals in the verses are totally different vocal takes with more vocals, the “yeaaah. Yeaaaah yeaaaah.”

- Different intro with Chester vocals on Carousel. Has a Chester vocal break before the first verse after the intro, like a mini acapella chorus.

Hybrid Theory EP:

- Kids is a Dedicated demo. It was the exact same takes of everything but it was unmixed / unmastered, so everything has different volumes on it. It was censored here too.
- Cure For The Itch transitions into High Voltage seamlessly. Cure For The Itch was the Studio Finals version with the different intro voice clips.

- Not totally sure that High Voltage was a demo as it sounded similar to the album version. It flows right out of Cure For The Itch, so that explains why it's like that on the released version. Same with And One/And Two.

- And Two is the rap part at the end of And One.
- Everything else was probably final, but didn't listen to A Place For My Head or By Myself to confirm.

1-Track Plaster disc:

- "Over night" is probably a note on when they recorded it or something.

Other CDs:

- She Couldn't has another title called She Had To Go. It's also listed as New Slow and New Ballad.

- Knight Rider = So Far Away. Jeff called it "Knight Rider Theme" out loud, but didn't see it written that way anywhere.

- She Couldn't (She Had to Go) and So Far Away (Knight Rider) sounded really similar to what we have, maybe the same.

- A couple of the CDs seem to have instrumental versions of And One in their tracklists. Didn't ask about it.

- Didn't get to the CD that says "can't use" on Part Of Me, so didn't ask about it.

- There are versions of Untitled with live drums and without live drums.

- There are CDs with Stick N Move, but didn’t hear it.

- There weren't any different versions of And One that they heard. Jeff has like 20 CDs with And One and they couldn’t quickly find the live version in studio version. Might be in none of them.

- Jeff said Kyle is generally the one on the demos with Chester.

- There’s quite a few Studio Finals CDs, one of them has a totally different tracklist. Might have been the Plear (tentative band name) one. It goes: Paper Cut, Now I See, Plaster is like song 4 or 5, APFMH -> Forgotten closes the album.

10 hours ago, NJPLP said:

I honestly think that “Pointillism” is “So Far Away” but just Mike doing all the vocals, since it was something Mike came up with for a soundtrack, though, I could be end up being wrong.

I think it's a case of "Mike was creating it for a soundtrack" but it got repurposed for the band. Maybe the soundtrack deal didn't work out. The song could have been intended to be an instrumental on the soundtrack and the vocals came later, around the time Jeff Blue first heard it.

What's interesting is that So Far Away is listed as Knight Rider on all demo CDs we've seen. Jeff Blue called it "Knight Rider Theme".

There was actually a Knight Rider series that started in 1997 and ended in 1998 called Team Knight Rider, but nothing came out from the franchise for quite some time after that and Hurry samples a song released in 1998, so it couldn't be for that. Could have been from a canceled Knight Rider project or it could be just a case of the band naming it like that because they thought the song sounded similar to the Knight Rider theme.

We're in need of lyrics for Just Math and Quarantine Tequila from the Mikeshinoda.com Exclusives. Can anybody help?

3 hours ago, RYG4R said:

 

I kept saying this before that this could link to Transformers One OST.

 

Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023) came out in 9th of June 2023, the OST was announced and released on 1st of June 2023. 

 

This animated film is called Transformers One (2024). Remember that day when the IG post caption, "IT'S A MATTER OF TIME" which is taken from the song In the End. First line of the song - "IT STARTS WITH ONE". hinting possibly to the title Ø (zero) XERO - what's next after zero? ONE - LINKIN PARK

Don't post or ask for download links or you'll be banned. This includes asking for PMs here, inside any other topic or in the chatbox.

2 hours ago, Jani said:

"Never say never" - Justin Bieber (a wise philosopher)

 

No Sebastian

1 hour ago, berryaaron11 said:

 

Well said.

5 minutes ago, GreyFox-AFCA said:

Sons Of Anarchy

Mayans MC

Justified

Snowfall

 

Those are some pretty awesome shows to watch if you're asking me.

Thanks for the recommendations. I only know Sons Of Anarchy. Will check the others.

So are you guys currently watching any good TV shows? I recently discovered that Disney+ (which I rarely opened) finally merged the catalogs for all their streaming services, so I've been watching some classics from Fox like Malcolm In The Middle and My Name Is Earl.

30 minutes ago, Bebro said:

 

What the heck is HE??? I get that MIUAIG is make it up as i go, but HE? stop with these pls, there are just too many songs to immediately recognize every shortcut. As long as it's A line in the sand, or the little things give you away i get it, but typing for example GG over good goodbye or SE instead of sharp edges, cmon, just two words...

Pro tip: you can type abbreviations on Linkinpedia and be redirected to the song pages.

1 hour ago, Hybrid1988 said:

what did everyone have for lunch today?

Not my photo, but I had this:

I'm taking away your thread until you kids learn to play nicely with each other.

4 hours ago, GreyFox-AFCA said:

I see i rattled some cages.

Here in the Netherlands a similair word is used sometimes for people displaying stupid behavior.

 

Sorry, i really didn't know people took offence over that in the US😅

People take offence over anything in the US. Try to be nice to everyone and it should be fine. Don't be like Wilderness.

1 hour ago, millytripleseven said:

What does it say precisely ?

Translation to English says "Linkin Park preparing new shows in LATAM for November 2024", but translation to my native language says "Linkin Park preparing UNRELEASED shows in LATAM for November 2024", I guess meaning like a DVD/video streaming release of some old shows.

 

If they were indeed to play actual shows, it could very well be a surprise comeback tour or something on short notice. They might have so much confidence in South American fanbase that they know it's gonna sell out quickly.

The first one. I don't think they've played this venue before.

1 hour ago, Poofanda said:

basically lplive admitting they are label plants

9 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

Really the only actual "holy grail" item left in the discography that is known and not just a random demo/song title people know, is No Roads Left with Chester, right?

Isn't it a demo too?

5 hours ago, gorast said:

I'll believe something major is coming when it actually comes, lol. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking there could be something coming down the pipeline, but I do think it's a little much for staff members to insist that it's happening. Unless you happen to have more of an inkling that something's coming than the rest of us have, that is.

What we look like right now: