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https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/9460473/linkin-park-hybrid-theory-20th-anniversary-track-by-track/
 

First ever track by track of Hybrid Theory. Great info from Mike and Joe. 

Holy hell this is tremendous. Band talking about Chester, introducing other artists, telling stories all day. Really good. 

I am shocked Reading My Eyes is from the Xero tape. It’s definitely a transfer from Mike’s master tape that they copied around etc and done professionally but wow. The reason that’s disappointing to me is because now you’re missing Fuse from the release. If all 3 other Xero tape songs are on this then they’re missing 1/4 of the components from the original demo. I assume Stick N Move and Rhinestone are the Xero tape versions since Reading My Eyes is. 

On 10/4/2020 at 4:23 PM, letdownagain said:

My feelings are the DVDs in the boxset are less to do with a decision about quality and more to do with making them more universally accessible.

 

Those of us here specifically might be better versed in the technology and quality differences, but I think a lot of the buying public stuff can’t play BluRay or doesn’t understand it’s benefits, so Warner doesn’t want to lose sales in that domain. I’ve worked in retail where movies are sold, and one example was a customer who didn’t want to buy a combo pack of Star Wars with BR, DVD, and digital download that was cheaper than the standalone DVD because he “just wanted the DVD.” That’s the type of person who isn’t gonna buy a boxset with only one BluRay with all the video features, even if that might make more sense.
 

It’s quite possible this will only be 480, but it depends on how it’s filmed. I’ve seen other music stuff this year streamed at 1080 on YouTube, then released solely on DVD.

Great post. Agreed 100%. I wouldn’t buy a BluRay release, I only can play DVDs. So I’m glad they put DVDs in this. I got the Metallica S&M2 on DVD too. 

I like the newly mastered (with 2020 standards) version. Sounds great. The band is always committed to the best audio quality they can get out of things so I’m glad they worked on this. This means maybe every almost song on the HT20 release will be an upgrade in some way. 
 

Good video again too. Very hostile point in time for the band but they made so much great music during it. 

Lzzy Hale?

On 8/27/2020 at 1:32 AM, Astat said:

Mike's rap verse incorporates parts of Vivaldi's Four Seasons just like the majority of the rest of the track does, so that was almost definitely recorded specifically for the song.

Chester's section (which Mike plays guitar and does the "breathe, breathe" backing vocals on) certainly sounds like it's basically an unfinished Linkin Park demo. It's the only part of the song that doesn't use anything from Four Seasons.

Never knew this. Great info. Added it to the Linkinpedia page.

I always thought the Download 2014 show would be a good thing to release for #THP20.

Live in Texas clips so far. What a let down when they said unreleased live stuff. 

46 minutes ago, KlaytonShinoda said:

 

First time I hear this, what? Tak trashing Wakefield for no reason?

Me. Not Wakefield. He claimed Mike totally screwed them with SOB since Mike was doing LP at the time, blah blah blah, blamed the label BS on Mike. I replied and said that's all out of his control if he has to run a global band in the middle of their biggest album cycle yet. He exploded. lmao.

It’s on. Station says it’s unreleased live music. 

Yeah those are widely spread, the Sean Dowdell and His Friends music.

That HT 2 track CD is extremely overpriced. $2,900? Those are worth a few hundred at max. LMAO

2 hours ago, leftshoe18 said:

Who else is excited to get a high quality version of the live version next month?

Not only that, two live versions. Both Fillmore and Rock am Ring have it. If they had picked an early PR02 show versus a late one, we'd get a third one lol. But late is good because it has It's Goin' Down with Chester on guitar (!!) in the set. Zero video of that in 2002 exists right now. Much rarer than And One. And we also got And One from San Diego.

That Fillmore one is going to be epic.

I can't believe not even 48 hours after this thread was made, Sean was showing his ass on social media again cussing out LP fans - AGAIN.

LMAO. It is just comedy at this point.

The instrumentals, sure, were from 1998 but with Chester's 1999 vocals I don't think that necessarily makes the demo need a 1998 tag lol

The Crawling merch is epic. RIP wallet.

We've never known the answer to that. We should ask Mike on his stream about it.

3 hours ago, HybridTheoryGuitar said:

Do you remember the website Linkin-Inside? It was my favorite website to download LP concerts. Have you guys thought about creating something like that nowadays? Would it be doable? I know there is the forum here but links go offline times to times.

Yeah. Remember it well. For now, LPLive Archive on YouTube is the best bet for shows, almost everything is streamable there.

However, we do have an LPLive project in the works, maybe with the same name, maybe different, to host all of the shows on a server. Audio first, then video. I actually finished all of 2000 and started on 2001 but then a few months ago I got distracted on all of the Linkinpedia stuff. So I edited like, thousands of wiki pages for a long time. I need to get back with it.

The really bland instrumental of Mike's from the MPC... there are kids talking. Still can't figure out who they are or what it samples.

"Anyone who can play music on a piano like he does must know vast amounts of interesting things
No one plays music on the piano the way Roger does

That's true"

"His what?
His penis
What's a penis?"

Any guesses? Thought it was 101 Dalmations at first since Roger plays piano but couldn't find anything to match it up to.

On 8/18/2020 at 9:32 AM, rd1994 said:

Anybody know who the kid at the end of Keys of the Kingdom is?

And whos Talking at the end snippet for The Summoning

Didn't they say it was one of the band member's kids? Mike's son maybe? Because they couldn't clear the Frozen clip they wanted to use.

The sample at the end of Summoning is a tee ball sample of a kid playing. Sounds like Brad. 

51 minutes ago, mattyice318 said:

Something that works in our favor is that HT, Meteora, and MTM are all 3 years apart. That's a long enough time IMO to keep releasing sets and going all out. If HT and Meteora droppped within a year and a half I'm not sure if they'd do all this for either one.

I agree but it also will have to do with new LP music.

If LP Album #8 drops in 2021, then Album #9 drops in May~ 2023, that's going to run right into Meteora. The band will have to strategically plan around it, although it honestly isn't even hard to do. You turn the album in and it comes out 5 months later, it's really easy to say "ok that will be 2 months" or "that'll be 6 months" in order to not drop the specific month before, of, or after the box sets. Seems easy enough to get around.

Great point about them being spaced so far apart that there is going to be enough of a demand for the next album's box set by then. Meteora has a chance to be absolutely insane, maybe even better than Hybrid Theory if we can believe that.

22 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

I think Warner got the rights to the Hybrid Theory EP (and maybe other songs that didn't make it on Hybrid Theory, like She Couldn't) the moment they singed Linkin Park. You guys are forgetting (versions of) songs like Carousel, And One and Part Of Me were found on Warmer Bros. Records demo CDs. Step Up was also released in the In The End single and High Voltage (although a remix) in the One Step Closer single. That leaves only Technique out, but then there was the Hybrid Theory EP reissue in 2001 and the songs have been on the LPU store for years. As for the Xero demo, Rhinestone is Forgotten, Reading My Eyes was registered for release on LPU 6.0 and Stick N Move on LPU 9.0. The only song Warner might not own is Fuse.

 

I'm not sure what kind of contract the band has with the label, but it seems to me a label doesn't really need a band's approval to use their music. Just look at the "greatest hits" releases by Avenged Sevenfold (Warner) and Papa Roach (Geffen). The bands didn't support those albums at all. The Papa Roach one even had an unreleased track. So I think they can release whatever they want as long as it is in their archives.

Makes sense about the first part.

The second part is absolutely true but we know now that WBR puts the ball in LP's court on literally everything; the band doesn't even have album deadlines anymore. LP picks the singles, everything. LP doesn't have 100.00% freedom with WBR, but it's really damn close. Warner not releasing a Greatest Hits of LP in 2005 is surprising, but it's good that they didn't. Ever since LT, things have been MUCH better with the label and LP. They aren't going to release something until LP tells them to.

20 hours ago, Justin said:

 

I don't think that's how music rights work. Like if LP wants to release an old Xero demo, I don't think they have to check with Mark to see if he approves the use of his vocal track lol. They might reach out as a courtesy, but not for legal reasons. I really doubt he could say "I don't approve the use of my vocal track" and have any legal standing there considering that Warner owns the rights to all those songs.

Warner doesn't own Xero or Hybrid Theory EP music, right? Those were independent releases by the band, some of the stuff was re-released on Warner so the band probably just allowed them to do that. None of that was on Warner, the original releases. Then you get into like And One being on Songs from the Underground etc. 

How does this all work, am I wrong? I noticed all of the HTEP songs are on BMI for the band's publishing. Reading My Eyes is the only Xero song on there, probably because of LPU 6.

The band has such a good relationship with the label that doing any of this stuff is no issue, like reissuing old stuff. The band doesn't have to ask Kyle or anyone like that to reissue old stuff. Mark is like best friends with Mike and also is in the music business, he'd never object to this stuff either. The band doesn't HAVE to consult with him but they probably DID just because of how classy and respectful LP is in general.

6 hours ago, GraDoN said:

Isn't this a bit of a cash grab? I mean does it add enough value to warrant the price?

Here's why it isn't a cash grab.

Yes, it has enough value to warrant the price. You are getting studio Xero demos with Mark (completely unheard/unreleased, we didn't even know some of these existed), a completely unknown Xero song, a completely unknown Hybrid Theory (band) song, Pictureboard which has been wanted for 15+ years desperately, an impressively good quality She Couldn't which was just mastered this year in 2020 standards for release, and more. Astat showed how many CDs on IG Live that you'd need to known to have all of the B-Side Rarities in one collection - it's a lot. The LPU Rarities, I mean the LPU CDs are selling for insane prices right now. The Hybrid Theory EP too, that thing is worth more than the value of this entire box set lol. 

Then DVD-wise, you're getting Frat Party which was out of print since 2002 but it looks like the music videos will be upscaled in better quality for the first time ever. You're getting Frat Party 2 which didn't even exist until this year, they literally just made it out of all of the unseen 2002 video footage the band has. Live show wise, you have Fillmore 2001 which is completely unreleased (potato quality of With You/OSC mostly full is on YouTube and that's it)... it's the band's first headlining tour ever which means it's oldschool and raw as hell. Should be quite epic. You have Rock am Ring 2001 on here in master quality, a big quality upgrade which is unreleased/unseen. Could even be different angles on it, who knows. Then Projekt Revolution 2002 which is also totally unseen - only 1 real video exists from 2002 in viewable quality online (OSC from Colorado Springs).

The value is easily $300-350+ on this and you're getting it for $200. How much is the band even making on this? Are they even turning much of a profit? Imagine printing cassettes in 2020, it can't be cheap. 80 page books. All those vinyls, etc. DVDs. So, if you were to manufacture all of that on your own, no, you're losing a lot of money, but there is probably a small profit margin somewhere that they are getting by mass producing everything in tens of thousands. So say the band earns $10-20 on every box set - that's nothing.

A cash grab would be 67 different editions of this thing for sale. This is an all inclusive box set release and is actually quite undervalued as we discussed on IG Live. We paid over $2,000 for She Couldn't in 2009. We'd pay that right this minute for Pictureboard ALONE if the opportunity came up and there wasn't a box set coming. So $200? Sign me up all day.

5 hours ago, GraDoN said:

I mean both can be overpriced?

 

Value is obviously subjective, I'm sure there were people who thought that the TL box set was decent value, personally I was hoping for some more legit new stuff no one has seen/heard of. That is obviously asking a lot after 20 years since most of the content leaked some way or another by now. It's just that $200 is a lot for polished rehashed content IMO. Not judging you for thinking it's reasonable.

The problem with this statement is there is a substantial amount of unreleased stuff here. Studio demos, unheard of songs, Pictureboard, live shows, 80 page book with stuff from Rob's parents' storage, etc. None of that is rehashed.

If you are referring to the demos, it isn't the band's fault fans like us leaked all of these demos lol. We should be glad they are putting Xero demos, Dialate and Could Have Been on here instead of taking those spots up with Plaster, Part of Me (Demo), Dust Brothers, etc. Some of the audio is "rehashed", sure, but you're getting it mastered and all inclusively on one release. The audio is just one part of the box.

1 hour ago, jb412 said:

Hello everybody, I wrote that RockCellarMagazine.com article. 

 

When I put the news up last Friday morning, the preorder links were down/glitchy for a while. The info in our article comes directly from our Online Store, which is run by a company called Broadtime and music distributors.

 

It's the track listing information available here, on our Store's listing for the box set:

 

https://rockcellarstore.com/UPC/093624893240

 

(Again, I don't know where that info comes from as that's a third-party store site that populates our Shop with titles), but it's interesting! Hopefully it does end up being the full track listings. I was at the Fillmore show, so that'd be a treat to have in full.

 

 

 

 

Hey man! Thanks for the reply! That’s great, it seems legit then. Really had no idea where you got that info but every single other thing on that page checks out so this actually does seem totally good. It has very specific info on everything. 

That means you basically got the exclusive on the tracklists for the DVDs haha - very nice!