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I think you and spraypaintinkpens and you are the consistent "shit on everything". Even Geki comes around on some stuff or had variety in his opinions. It's a Steve Aoki song, you care a bit apparently

Holy shit, I'm so pumped! Mike and Steve have done some awesome shit with their past songs and I absolutely adore Lights. I've been wanting Lights and Mike to collab and I'm totally down for this

THANK YOU I haven't been too big into Grey Daze, but I had 2 tracks I used to listen to that my friend sent years ago saying they were MTM B-Sides. Found out they were GD, then forgot about them in the years since. Knew one was Starting to Fly and couldn't for the life of me think of any part of the second one. It's Believe Me, so thanks for solving that for me lol

And they couldn't have gotten Steve McKellar? or Sydney Sierota? I don't think they're too hard to get. I'm on that LP theory

Gonna toss in an observation of Julien-K's promotion of Time Capsule. Fans asked if they were releasing Chester and DBS tracks and they said how they're working to try but licensing, etc. can be messy and it might just not pan out. No claims like GD with their "WB wanted to wipe our music from the internet even tho that was actually us". Front of the album is artwork, back is the 3 core JK members. Chester appears in the booklet with them, not from an LP performance. Brandon Belsky also appears from JK music video shoots, not from his other band's performances. Using a photo from Linkin Park material that has nothing to do with Grey Daze outside of Chester being in both bands in his life is trying to capitalize on the brand recognition of LP.

Honestly, I've become so much less excited about this release the further it goes with promotion. They worked with Julien-K, they need to ask them for advice on how to promote. I doubt they have more material - I think it's an attempt to sell more of this album with an inevitable "oh yeah it didn't perform as well as expected so we can't pursue the other releases"

*press X to doubt* I look forward to you messaging me "OML sucks" shortly

Bold of you to assume LPL peeps aren't working behind the scenes to bring us the content they do? I thought there was visible contact with Adam, I think, where he was just like "don't blow it up, but you're fine releasing". If that was on twitter, I am willing to bet BTS there was more discussion

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Doesn't invalidate the argument, Geki. I pointed out why the Non-OML songs were included despite possibly also being popular in past releases. Again: Numb and ITE and legendary level popularity. They're gonna be included WID, LOATR, BID, and ND are both extremely popular among even casual fans. They also showcase Chester as the main vocals and showing his range. BIO is the closer. It's been the closer to main set or encore for countless shows. Crawling was included. Of those, LOATR, ITE, WID, BIO, and Crawling all had some kind of change that made them special and more than just a standard live version. LOATR and WID had incredible intro/outros. ITE had the "mix up the audience" bit they talked about where they would stop singing and have the crowd only randomly. BIO had singalong, Crawling was stripped to piano. They could've used more space, yes, but they didn't and they chose to include just the standard version songs, so the jimmies can cease their rustling. Idk which DSPs you've been listening to but the quality on a ton have been amazing, especially the 2007-2008 ones. Pitt and WPB are excellent. ATS Tour had some with a little "eh" mixing due to the quick turnaround, but the Paris, London 2, and an Australia (whichever one Pez played) show were same quality. Take it up with the band

DSPs and past Live CDs are why they didn't include them. Live in Texas, RtR:Milton Keynes, Red Square, and Download Festival also had all or most of them as well. With the cancelling of the N America leg, they were going to include the OML songs that many fans never had an opportunity to hear live. Numb, ITE, WID, BIO are all gonna be staples BID and ND showcase Chester's vocals Crawling piano was unique iteration.

I'm pretty sure it's just an unfortunate case of Resting Bitch/Bored Face

The jimmies, they are a rustlin' I was personally disappointed that the drummer seemed bored, but that's a nitpick. Really impressed they got John Cena for the video though!

I think it's just because I was more active on fan sites (was on both LPL and LPA) that I saw the backlash from ATS more than OML. People despised Catalyst, got nasty about Wretches & Kings (i.e. "I'm done with LP if they don't have the rest of the album be this style") One More Light's backlash that I saw was mainly in youtube comments and well, that's self explanatory. On LPL, it seemed run of the mill of vocal users who hate everything post Meteora, with the few exceptions of "MTM is the best and everything before and after is awful". Wasn't even on LPA so there's a large chunk of reactions, good or bad, that I missed. Verdict: ATS because it confirmed MTM wasn't a one off before returning to make Hybrid Theory 3. OML has contender as being the 4th "LP is going mainstream pop to appease the normies" cycle with the added detriment of them actually exploring more pop-like songs.

1) 13 year old article about scuffle in contract 2) Chester saying he may put out songs he whipped up on his own rather than try and get DBS set up again 3) Stretch Armstrong, dude. Also, would like to point out the top review of the album was written either before, or right as Battle Symphony came out, for a grand total of 2 songs. I guess I'm missing something bc these links all seem like stretching

Anyone else get an Apple iPod commercial vibe?? Not my favorite, but definitely cool visual and I'm curious if it was a single shot or he spliced different takes when he ducked down. What's left for videos? I'm waiting for the day I can watch the whole album in one go

I think Geki is the only person I've seen who believes that LP fans are all "you can't say anything bad about any song!" I know I've said that I like one song, or don't like another and never felt attacked. The main thing he is missing in the post above yours was people didn't get angry at him for not loving a specific song, it was because he got hostile and downright mean unnecessarily in his 'critiques'. Seeing Mike speak on Chester at his show, he's definitely not doing everything trying to make a buck off him. If he is, well, his performance has been so damn convincing that he deserves to get the money for "duping" everyone. Granted, WBR is a company, so money will play into decisions (OML Live was greenlit because it would sell enough to not be a loss), but they also understand the damage that would occur if word got out they were using Chester as a cash cow

I'm willing to bet that is like a general idea of people rather than any specific person. Meanwhile, if Prove You Wrong were included on Post Traumatic instead of IOU, the album would've made it to my "Perfect Album" list - Albums where I love every song on the first playthrough. THP and MTM are on there for LP, Sufferer and the Witness for Rise Against, and I think like 3 other albums total. I really love the build up and the bridge to the end is absolutely incredible and makes me hope the next LP album will have a similar vibe. What the Words Meant is taking a bit to grow on me. It's not bad, it's just "yeah it's a good song but let's go back to PYW because holy shit!"

I still can take or leave some of OML's songs. Chester's death only made me see a different side to the songs, giving deeper/new meaning. That being said, I think Geki's baiting based on his earlier post in this thread

****NOTE****I'm not saying replace or forget Chester in this post**** After hearing these songs, reading the lyrics, seeing his update at the end of Watching As I Fall, and the vibe of the Twitter replies - I think that when LP finally regroups and makes new music, they may archive their work up until Looking For An Answer. Over Again really makes me think performing any song that Chester's touched would be too painful to keep playing and revisiting. They're going to find what will work best for them, but I wouldn't blame them if they took some more time to heal, then "started from scratch" as a five-piece band with maybe a 2 part larger comeback album in a few years. If they went that route, the extra tracks could give them material for a decent setlist, but I wouldn't expect/want them to play older stuff if it's gonna hurt each time.

This year has been rough here too. I had full mental breakdown in May, was recovering from that when July happened. My fiancee made me take a mental health day that Friday. I've pulled away from LPLive for my sanity but still lurk to check in bc I like you all I guess. It's still a long way to go, but I'm starting to see progress. LIGHTS' album Skin&Earth healed so much of my heart, as did seeing Julien-K and my LPLive friends having happy moments. We're still here. We've made it this far, so let's keep setting our own high scores.

One of the most common arguments/beliefs I've seen in recent months and in regards to this show is that Linkin Park is going to continue and sound the same as they did before. They're not. They just aren't. Even when realizing this, I still had no idea how they could move forward, as a different sound, etc, but Hahninator makes some great points - Jon Green isn't the Chester replacement, he's just a person who would fit in with the band. I don't know what they're planning for the future. I hope they (though doubting it's happening this year) "close out" the OML cycle with an LPU cd and start fresh for 2018. It's not going to be the same, never will, but Jon would definitely be an asset to the band and I feel he'd give the proper care to the music and memory of Chester.

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention Alex MacMillan/Razor Red Noise guy. As it's been said, nobody can replace Chester, but he does well with Heavy other than the highest notes. https://youtu.be/WAZPoGf8mzk On another argument - whether for a tribute tour or whatever they decide - what about Ryan Shuck/Julien-K? Close friends, guy's got an objectively great voice, and he would bring his A game and heart every song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau-EZVOyPg

I will be at the Tampa show!!

I'm actually seeing Muse in that ampitheatre in a few weeks on vacation lol