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5 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:
Do you guys think the wizard song instrumental whatever that instrumental was may have been a demo for TTTAMP? The chords are pretty similar and the tempo/key is the same. Also in Mike’s Shirt LPUTV during the second part of the verse part we hear of TTTAMP there is a sound that’s a double beep and it’s the same keys as the guitar in the chorus of The Wizard Song. Basically what I’m saying is they both have some sort of connection and I think that instrumental might actually be a demo for TTTAMP. Of course only like 20% sure though.
Funny, it´s preatty much the same tempo! Maybe it was reused and became TTTAMP. We know that the band likes to reused some demos that weren´t that good
54 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:The band stopped working with Jeff Blue in early 2002. Their relationship was pretty damaged after Hybrid Theory. No reason to ask him about Meteora. lol
Yeah but he still wanted to try to get some information about Plaster II ( his favourite song is OSC and when he knew that suposely there is a meteora demo called Plaster II he wants to know anything about that demo XD)
It´s funny that we don´t have much information about meteora demos. More especificly demos that had vocals and didn´t ended up on the album. We know that they recorded a total of 15 songs and 12 of them maked the final cut. That leaves us with 3 songs with vocals (and maybe a few more that the band tried to put vocals on). We don´t know nothing about those demos (correct me if I´m wrong), we don´t know titles, lyrics (maybe we have some lyrics if TTTAMP is one of those 3 demos), we don´t know if we already heard something from those demos, no facts. We don´t know nothing. And we don´t know if the titles of those meteora demos that we saw on the board from the making of (Plaster II, Nocturnal, etc...) are in fact correct. Jesus XD
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6 hours ago, TheVeryLastDinosaur said:
It's 100% not the title but unfortunately we can only work with what we got 😕 maybe it would be easier to press with other known demo titles. We could try asking him about Nocturnal, Shifter, or Plaster II.
Not only will it help possibly narrow it down but we can potentially learn more about these obscure demos that we only have a titles for in the process.
A friend of mine once asked Jeff Blue if he knew anything about "Plaster II" and he said that he doesn´t remember any meteora demo with that name
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4 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:
I still hope we get some information about the track though because we literally have no info about it.
That´s true, the only thing we know is that its a meteora demo, has vocals and it was used in 3 or more LPTV episodes. With pictureboard we knew the oficial name, the era that it was from, who sang on it, we knew that was performed live and it wasn´t on any LPU cd because of copyright (and maybe a few more things that I´m not remembering)
4 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:He also said that chances are it’s likely a demo of a track that made it to the album but I really don’t think it is. It’s kind of similar to numb in the beat but hearing it you can definitely tell that it doesn’t sound like any of the other tracks at all.
And let´s not forget that the band said on the meteora booklet that Numb came up very easly, with almost no effort, from a sample that eventually became the intro sample. The intro could be inspired from "Thoughts that take away my pride" but they allready had the intro hook a week before entering NRG studios. So we could preatty much say that "Thoughts" (I´m going to call it like this instead of the long name XD) isn´t a Numb demo
4 hours ago, Robrobbsen said:That would be the best scenario for sure but i don´t see that happening unless Meteroa 20 or something. LPU is not releasing demos anymore and LP hasnt released any random demos just because.
Also i think Mike if would want to build hype he would say something other than "oh i dont know anything about that" He could say"of thats a really cool song we worked on, shame its not released" or something like that. With Happy endings mike just said you need to play it on repeat or something like that, so hes not really subtle about that^^
Yeah I think you´re right actually. Maybe he just doesn´t really remember the demo as you´ve said it (I think it was you XD), they have done HUNDREDES apon HUNDREDS of demos ( just on minutes to midnight they were more than 100 demos!), it would be extraordinary if they remember every demo from every era (and humanly impossible I think)
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5 hours ago, Robrobbsen said:
To be honest i kind of get the vibe that mike just don´t want to talk about stuff like that. He is always really vague and i´m pretty sure he know that the more info he gives out the more people will pry for a release or something. I think that why he is "ignoring" the timestamps and just goes "yeah i don´t know about that song really, guys we did a lot of soungs that went nowhere" because he cant releaes what he doesnt know.
I´ll be mike gets a ton of messages daily like "release friendly fire" or else, that must suck too. Just get the vibe that mike is playing it safe here and is just for his sake not revealing to much but thats just my guess.
Or maybe he likes to "play" with us, like " I know that they like that demo a lot so I´m not going to talk about it to keep the them hyped up and then release it". Maybe its this because the mistery around demos is what sometimes keeps the fans interested in them, but its just my opinion
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16 hours ago, Justin said:
Could be next stream, could be multiple streams. He doesn't have a dedicated Q&A time. He doesn't answer questions every stream. So we just have to wait and see.
Well, we just have to wait, even if it takes months XD
14 hours ago, Justin said:https://streamable.com/ywj7x4 His stream from April 19th.
That was close! Mike just had to watch the video on youtube in the time-stamp they said. C´moooooon Mike XD
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5 hours ago, lpliveusername said:
Done.
Now we wait until the next live stream? If he actually sees it, how long do we might have to wait?
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I would be down to create a twitch account just to try asking him about this demo. But I dont know how his streams work. I dont know if he stills answers questions from fans that often. We need help from someone who watches his streams
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3 hours ago, GreyFox-AFCA said:
Yupp, money rules even our favorite artists
I´m sorry but that sounds kinda rude and disrespectfull to Mike (and I´m sorry if I understood you in the wrong way). We know that Mike likes to try new things, either towards music or other things. Maybe he´s trying something new! And get a bit of money is a nice bonus, especially in a time that artists are stuck at home without being able to perform and earn money from that
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22 hours ago, RogueSoul said:
the worst part of the 2014 Disney music debacle is that you guys still think anything that sounds trendy is "Disney" music. dude writes a song with an uplifting message for the first time in like 4 years and your brain is too caught up in the lack of despair that it can't possibly be considered anything but kids music.
if you don't like the song - don't listen to it! there are dozens of songs you can keep listening to from the back catalogue, and i'm sure even more new music being made everyday that sounds like what you want to hear. go find it. stop dwelling on one man's three minutes of positivity and excitement about a changing world.
and that the people who think the disney joke is still funny 7 years later lol. you may be worse than the people who think that anyone involved with this band can only make music that sounds like HT/Meteora.
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1 hour ago, Justin said:
That demo honestly makes me wonder how the band and Don Gilmore reached the conclusion that it wasn't good enough for the album. That chorus is really catchy and Chester sung it really well.
Maybe the label didn´t liked it? Idk, its so weird. Stick N´Move fits perfectly the vibe of Hybrid Theory. Maybe they could record the guitars like they did on Runaway (with seven string guitars) to give a heavier sound and a few more things. I think it would be more successful than Runaway. Runaway wasn´t a fan favorite and even Chester said that he didn´t liked it
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35 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:
Due to popular demand back in the day. Like people calling the radio station and being like “hey can you play APFMH ?”
Damn that´s cool!
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2 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:
I remember Mike saying radios played APFMH been tho it was not a single. But I could absolutely be wrong
APFMH was played by radios? Damn, I didn´t know that
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8 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:
I was asking myself the same.
I guess it’s APFMH due to the song popularityYeah you right! Maybe its APFMH
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8 minutes ago, Justin said:
GREAT write up! Really interesting stuff!Do we know what song Chester was referring to here?
Maybe Pushing Me Away. OSC, Crawling, Papercut and In the End where the singles and Points of Authority and Pushing Me Away went to radio stations.
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6 hours ago, LPLStaff said:
This isn't something you see often - Rick Rubin interviewing Mike Shinoda!
"Since forming in 1996, Linkin Park has sold over 100 million records worldwide. Their enormous success mixing genres like hip-hop, metal and anthemic pop was spearheaded by the band’s ultra-talented founder, Mike Shinoda. In this episode Rick Rubin talks to Mike about the albums he produced with Linkin Park that helped redefine the band’s sound. Mike also reminisces about the band’s early inner-personal dynamics. And Mike talks about the community of thousands of followers he's amassed on Twitch who watch him make beats live five days a week."
Check the full interview out here.Recap:
- Mike explains #ShinodaProduceMe on Twitch to Rick about how the process works and what the artists actually send him.
- Rick and Mike talk about 'A Thousand Suns'. Rick: "A Thousand Suns is my favorite of the things we worked on together. It felt like something new and REALLY good.", "If you had done ATS after Meteora, everyone would have been like, "FUCK these guys!", you had to do Minutes to Midnight first.", "The dream is to make an album that gets either 1 or 5 stars. Polarizing music. And that's what A Thousand Suns is for you guys. I love it."- Mike tells the story of putting NoBraiN on 'When They Come For Me' and how it came together from the contest for 'The Catalyst'.
- They discuss Mike's first introduction to music; the first album he became obsessed with was 'Licensed to Ill' by Beastie Boys. He tried to ask for the Cypress Hill debut album for Christmas and he didn't get it. So he asked his mom and she said she didn't get it because of the names of the songs being so extreme - 'Pigs', 'How I Could Just Kill A Man', 'Hand On The Pump', 'Hole In The Head', etc, so Mike found a way to get the album the very next day after that conversation.
- Rick asks Mike how he became a musician after this period of time - did he want to make beats, did he want to rap, etc. Mike explained he was taught piano from an early age but loved rap. He won a songwriting contest his piano teacher did so he told his teacher he wanted to write more like rap songs, so he wanted to write blues & jazz in her class.
- Mike discussed how he learned how to use gear when songwriting and discussed his little group 'North Coast Killaz'. The idea was to just make his friends laugh.
- Songwriting for early Linkin Park sessions is discussed. Rick asked Mike around 'Minutes To Midnight' if he had ever written a song with just an instrument (like piano) and vocals as the band usually didn't write that way. Mike said actually yeah, some of our biggest songs like 'In The End' and 'Breaking The Habit', but usually no, we don't write that way at all. The band was much more comfortable writing the instrumentals first and then the vocals, but the entire songwriting process changed with Rick and MTM. Mike learned to make songs without having a fully produced instrumental before he wrote vocals.
- Mike talked about writing with Tom Morello. The band didn't end up with much material from the sessions with him but Mike's main takeaway was picking Tom's brain about songwriting and how he used gear - they had some great conversations about writing tracks. Tom explained specifically how he uses gear he's super familiar with to achieve new sounds.
- Mike talks about how he learned how to play guitar. He had a friend that taught him some Led Zeppelin riffs but Mike's main reason for learning guitar was just because Linkin Park needed a second guitar player on stage and the riffs for LP weren't hard to play.
- Rick asks Mike how Linkin Park started. Mike explains Mark and Xero, how they had four real songs on their demo, etc. Cool story about Mike and Mark sending the tape to Immortal Records who had Korn and Incubus, and the label couldn't believe it was just two guys in the band, they were really, really surprised the drums were all sampled, etc. Mike and Mark switched off on instruments like guitar, bass, etc. They told Mike to get a full band together ASAP and play shows, to get in a studio and record, and then come back to talk to the label because they liked the songs. Mike jokes that the guy NOW says Xero never came back to show him more songs, but Mike says "yeah, we actually did send him more demos but he just wasn't interested in us anymore. We would have killed to get on that label so we did send them a lot of demos."
- He talks about his relationship with Mark - they became friends at 12 years old. Mike explains the reason Mark left Xero was because he was going to get a stomach ulcer from playing live - he had panic attacks playing in front of people, he couldn't get up on stage in front of people, he would freak out at the monitor engineer every time they played so he'd piss off the guy in charge of the sound. He was so panicked about playing live. He did understand it was not a good fit for him to be in the band. He loves music a lot and that's what lead him into his music management role now with System of a Down, Alice in Chains, Deftones, etc.
- Mike tells the story of being introduced to Brad. Brad was the first of the current members of the band to join Xero. He was Mark's next door neighbor... looking out Mark's window, Brad was right next to him. Mike didn't know Brad well in high school because hip hop and metal kids didn't co-mingle. But Mark was in a band with Brad before that. Mark shared metal with Mike, Mike shared hip hop with him. He confirms for the first time that Mark was in The Pricks with Brad, before Relative Degree. Relative Degree overlapped time-wise with Xero because Mark and Mike wrote "on the side" since Mark was already in a band with Brad.
- The rest of the band - Brad was at UCLA with Dave, Mike was at ArtCenter with Joe, Rob was at a neighboring high school. And then the story of Jeff and Scott finding Chester after they tried out a lot of other singers. It was very obvious Chester was the best fit. The direction of the sound was clear to the band pretty much as soon as they started writing together.
- Mike explains the process behind them finding the Hybrid Theory 20 demos and videos. He loves 'She Couldn't'. Discusses the gear used when making it and loves the line "you are not alone", which turned out to be the identity of the band for the next five or six years - the idea was just there from the beginning. The band were naturally not great friends, but they'd geek out about music because they loved all the creative aspects of music together.
- Chester did not fit in right away with the band. He was messing around with drugs, and Rob was totally straight edge so they didn't know if that'd be an issue for one, but also because his personality was a lot different than the band's. They wanted to get to know him first as a person before they could commit to him. "We were really different, but we were really cool. We really like each other. I think we're fine." Rick says having outliers working together really creates something intense musically. The band was polar opposites in a lot of ways and friction but worked really well together - they drew from a lot of different areas. Brad loved the music by Britney Spears, for example, so they drew from a lot of different areas. He said they had to experiment with their relationships, how Brad and Joe interacted together versus how Brad and Chester interacted together.
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This was amazing! Great interview!
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5 hours ago, EgorN said:
sounds a little different, different mastering and tempo...
WOW, that´s pretty much the same! Amazing
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6 hours ago, EgorN said:
I just listened to the multitrack "Runaway". The drum loop that is used in bridge is the same outro drum loop "Pictureboard" ... "" The sample question is even more unexplained for me now...
Can you show us?
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6 hours ago, LPsMart said:
I'm taking the list by @lpliveusername trying to share my thoughts on what I think we already have from Jeff demos (bold text):
Xero - 1997 Mike Shinoda (from photo):
01. Fuse
02. Reading My Eyes
03. Stick N Move
First Xero demo he heard:
01. Fuse
02. [Untitled Track]
03. Stick And Move
04. Reading My Eyes
November 1997, baby cover: (obviously)
01. Rhinestone
02. Reading My Eyes (even remastered on HT20)
03. Fuse
04. Stick N Move
Xero (from photo):
01. Rhinestone
02. Dreamer
03. Weight
August 25, 1998 demo produced by Darryl Swan at Paramount Recording Studios (Studio C)
[Fiends from Rapology 14 likely from this demo]
November 17, 1998 demo CD:
01. Rhinestone
02. Esaul
03. Pictureboard
04. Fiends (I believe they reused the R14 one)
05. Stick N Move (instrumentally if there was a Chester version before album sessions - I'm thinking audition tape)
06. Carousel
07. Slip (instrumentally if there was a Chester version before album sessions - I'm thinking audition tape)
08. Step Up
First demo CD with Chester [early May 1999]:
01. Over To Me (Blue)
02. Could Have Been
03. Rhinestone
04. Esaul
05. Part Of Me
06. Turn To Grey
07. Pictureboard
08. Ashes (Unfinished)
Studio time with Mudrock in June 1999 for about a week [Hybrid Theory EP]
9-track demo CD, week of August 16, 1999: (pretty sure that's the "Forgotten Demos" source or each is at least on one of the leaked demo CDs)
xx. Untitled
xx. Points Of Authority
xx. Super Xero
xx. I Hate You/Crawling
Random mentions:
It Doesn't Matter [Untitled]
Flower [early She Couldn't]
Brad and Mike flew to New York to work with the Dust Brothers in September/October 1999 and did an early version of With You with only rap vocals. The demo was called Dust Brothers because it was meant for the Dust Brothers album.
Don Gilmore received the first demo from the band in November 1999: (Probably also on the actually leaked demo CDs)
xx. Untitled (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)
xx. Crawling (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)
xx. Dust Brothers (Not sure about this one though - it has changed quite a bit)
xx. Points Of Authority (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)
Early March [first week] demo CD:
01. Plaster [no bridge]
02. Papercut [guitar/beat instrumental demo]
Recording at NRG started on March 7, 2000 (what did they do the first week besides setting up? Guide tracks in a live take?) and was scheduled for a month and a half. Rob's drum recording schedule for Hybrid Theory:
March 14, 2000:
Harmonic Song (same as Runaway: If we don't consider Rob back in studio after Mar 17th - this should be Crawling)
Pictureboard
By Myself
Plaster
Papercut
Rhinestone (Forgotten)
And OneMarch 15, 2000:
Untitled
Esaul (A Place For My Head)
Dust Bros.
Stick N Move (maybe this is what's on HT:20 but IMO it doesn't sound that properly recorded)March 16, 2000:
Stick N Move (continued from 3/15) (I believe they used this for Runaway - if Rob didn't have to record once more after the SnM was completed, 'cause of Don)
Slip (maybe this is what's on HT:20/LPU11 but IMO it doesn't sound that properly recorded)
A Place For My HeadMarch 17, 2000:
Points Of Authority
Pushing Me Away
Now I Seewhat do you guys think? is this anywhere near accurate?
Nice job dude!
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15 hours ago, lpliveusername said:
Lockout maybe.
Maybe, but the Lockout documentary is more of a recording of them rehearsing, not a live perfomance. But I don´t know, maybe Jeff Blue was actually refering to Lockout
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Hey guys, Jeff said that a friend of his has video of Xero/Hybrid Theory performing live and it´s on youtube. The only video I know is that crapy video of them performing Rhinestone. Is that the one that he´s refering too?
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2 hours ago, LPLStaff said:
About one Q&A session per month or two now.
Okay, thanks!
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I know that what I´m about to ask is VERY off-topic but I dont know else were to ask, I'm sorry. Does Mike still does Q&A´s in his livestreams?
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1 minute ago, IWillWalkAway said:
Hello! Unfortunately no information has come up about the track yet. I’m still hopeful that at some point we will know more about it. I really wanna know the reason it was cut. We’re the lyrics bad? Did the producer not like it? It couldn’t be the instrumental because firstly it made it all the way to vocals, the last step in recording Meteora. And it’s also just a really cool instrumental. I think the reason why nobody has asked about it yet is because it just isn’t quite as memorable as a lot of other unreleased songs. I think it should be though because we know that about 15 tracks were recorded for Meteora. This track is definitely one of the two that didn’t make it. I’m 99% sure it will be released at SOME POINT, but for now all we can do is wait. (Also I would ask Mike about it myself during one of his streams, but I do not have Twitch)
One of the three*, the band recorded 15 songs for the album (as you said). The album has 13 songs but Foreword doesn´t count because its a small instrumental and it has added to the album when it was pretty much done.
I also think the song will be released at some point, probably at the 20th aniversary of Meteora. But until then I would like to get some information about the song, we almost know nothing about it! We could see if anyone that follows Mike´s livestreams could ask
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Hi, I know I'm kinda late but I just wanted to know if there´s any updates or new informations about this demo. Or even if anyone asked Mike about this demo in one of his livestreams
“Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” Instrumental is in Another LPTV
in Everything Linkin Park
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I don´t know if Mike remembers those names. It´s been 20 years since they started working on Meteora, and during those 20 years they´ve made hundreds, if not thousands of demos. Remebering a demo just from the names that we have (and some of them could be wrong) would be impressive. We could try and asking him, but I think the most probable answer that Mike would give us would be "I don´t remeber those demos".
One more thing, "Cuidado" is the working title of "Lying From You"? What? Really?
Edit: I saw on Linkinpedia that Mike talked about "Cuidado" on twitch, freaking awesome!