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honestly, i don't know a single person who likes them. not one single person in my school likes them (its a small school so its easier to know this). I honestly think Limp Bizkit is the worst band or at least one of the worst bands I ever heard. Never understood the appeal at all. Theres some bands i don't personally like that I can understand why others might like them, but Limp Bizkit is the one band where I never understood how anyone likes them.

I like Limp Bizkit for the same reason that I like Die Antwoord, or a Monty Python film for that matter. It is all tongue-in-cheek. If you are evaluating any of those things on a scale of artistic integrity, you're doing it all wrong.

How sad. Didn't know this was the Julien-K forum on Julien-K live.com.

I didn't know that this was a paid service where you had the right to complain about one of the smallest issues in the history of mankind.

it is not trolling at all

But isn't it the case that people are requesting for the original, unencoded, untouched, uncompressed, lossless source files,

Very true, in which case I should have never even said anything to begin with and I do apologize. I have been working full time at Wal-Mart during the holiday season while also taking a full load of college courses. This doesn't even include the nerdrage I feel when I am playing Battlefield 3 and blow up in a jet within 10 seconds due to campers.

Needless to say, I should have used 'mah brainz' before getting into this argument as it really had no relevance to the modest request that people were wanting for their money.

You are SORELY mistaken if you think lossless audio didn't exist (or was even "an inconvenience" to record with) in 1998. DAT recorders were introduced in like, 1987, just for starters...and no self-respecting band would knowingly RECORD to a lossy format. If it had been impossible to record digitally to a lossless format in the '90s, analog recording would have still been the predominant method of recording albums for far longer than it was.

I never said anything about lossless. I'm talking about the 320kbps MP3 files of old demos that are being requested.

I could record something with a 192kbps bitrate and you can make a lossless copy of it. You are still left with the sound of a 192kbps file.

I would still probably like a higher quality version of the entire album, and any quality blemishes that might arise from the HT Demos I would pass off as part of the song's character and sonic identity from the time it was recorded.

I agree with this statement. +1

Think about it this way: wouldn't you rather a download with proper 320kbps of the new songs and upscales of old ones than what's being offered now for the same price? I'm sure with proper remastering the 320kbps rips of older songs could possibly sound better than their lower-bitrate counterparts...

The spectrum analysis doesn't seem to correlate with an upscale:

 

http://cl.ly/BrTN

I understand what you're saying, but it all just depends on what the input/output bitrate was. I can see you possibly getting a legitimate 256kbps file at most based on the times, but based on how Mike says 'professional studio' in the .pdf files, that's probably not likely.

It's so easy for them to re-save a file as 320kbps.

I personally just don't see a possible way to plug a guitar into a mixer, have the sound go straight into editing software with a recording rate of 256 kbps max and then saving the raw file as 320kbps and calling it legitimate. You're right about the newer stuff though, no doubt. You might actually be right about all of this. I'm just telling you what I know from school and possibly saving you from spending your money on stuff that is labeled as '320kbps', but is not actually as it appears.

And yet they still managed to include two HT-era demos on the 320kbps 'A Decade Underground', as well as two songs of that era on the LPU9 CD which was also HQ?

Yeah, to please people like you who think that it actually meant something.

I'm open to being corrected, but I took a few audio engineering classes and have even argued with people on this matter before. The general consensus has always seemed to be that you can't effectively take a 'shit' source and make it sound better by upscaling it.

With that said, there are EQ's and all kinds of fancy things that do exist to make things sound better. Personally, that bugs the shit out of me when it comes to demos because I know that it's trickery, but I guess it's all trickery at the end of the day because it's all about what sounds good to the consumers.

You're looking at this the wrong way. Don't think of it in terms of MP3s or lossy files, think of it in terms of the original audio source... Which was most likely tape. Even cassette tapes can be played through a soundboard and losslessly ripped! And, therefore, the lossless rip could be transcoded into a high-quality lossy file, e.g. 320kbps MP3.

The original quality of the audio sources for these demos were not even recorded at such a high rate. That's the point I am trying to get at. Robot Boy is a different story.

The MTM and ATS demos are not as old as you're making the entire EP out to be, not to mention this is the same band that put MP3s up on their website in the HT era.

I corrected myself with the MTM/ATS era.

The MP3's that they uploaded themselves were not 320kbps either. As I said, it wasn't necessarily a convenience during those years.

How could they not have a copy of the raw files used for recording? Besides, the mere fact that they have a physical CD release would mean (hopefully) that the initial files were lossless before burned...

Because the raw files themselves are still from a time when 320kbps wasn't really a convenience. Converting them to 320kbps does nothing. It would be like running a 480p movie through a 1080p monitor. It does nothing to improve the initial source.

Edit: Feel free to complain about the newer songs though.

Am I the only one disappointed at the 192kbps quality for the digital download? I thought having a lossless digital download was enough... but even A Decade Underground was 320kbps!

You're expecting 320kbps for a song that was initially recorded with less?

01. A.06

02. Part of Me

03. And One

04. In The End (LPU11 Demo)

05. Across the Line

06. Pale

Korn's latest tour has 4 mega rare demos/old songs opening the show followed by 4-5 new songs followed by 4 hits, etc, etc. Just sayin'.

+1

Also, am I the only one who thinks you should get the digital version as well if you purchase the CD?

That would be reasonable, but it's not going to happen because of $$$.

Physical copy = Patience.

Digital = Impatience.

Impatience earns the cash.

Impatience + Patience = Even more cash.

Well nit-pick why don't you!

My pleasure.

I think this is brand new Esaul demo

Yep!

Bang Three does not have a "different intro entirely." It's slightly different. And yes, that piano part is during the verses of the final version of WID. But not in the intro, as I was stating.

No reverse effect on the guitar, a lack of the digital 'dirty drums' and an extended intro that incorporates the chorus piano parts is enough for me to call it entirely different.

Forgive me.

4. In The End - Not much to say about this, not much different from what we already have at least upon first listen, other than the higher quality of course.

 

6. Bang Three - Not much to say about this either. Strings in the verses are much more noticeable, there's a slight change in the piano during the intro, and the bridge doesn't have the guitar solo.

 

9. Esaul - Same demo we've known about I think, just in higher quality. Good to have.

In The End is a completely different mix that we have not heard before. Bass riff is different. There are existent ambient sounds that we haven't heard before. However, the lyrics seem to have been heard in previous leaked demos.

Bang Three has a different intro entirely. The different piano parts are still in the final mix, but during the chorus instead. The bridge is completely different. It was changed in the final mix to incorporate the guitar solo.

The Esaul on this edition is the first studio version we have heard of the Frat Party jam.

(Not trying to be an ass, just adding more detail for anyone that is interested in purchasing.)

Soon, the Aztec moon will heat my room... HEAL MY WOUNDS!

It's different, way higher quality. It was recorded right when Chester joined the band, pretty bad ass, actually.

Well, I meant as far as lyrical content goes.

APFMH demos...hmm.

Based on the preview I heard, it's

I'm so sick of LP announcing announcements... it's just so pointless.

Creating hype to strike curiosity is such a terrible concept.

I already saw this like a year ago. how come?

1) This video was not out a year ago.

2) Why did you not submit it as news when you saw it?

This is a fucking awesome video! I wish they all did this for numerous songs. I love it!

 

Edit: Any chance this was done for Remo Drum skins? The little video action thing (whatever they're called) says Remo Rob Bourdon T2. He might of been doing a little bit of promo work for them?!?

I believe you are correct. The other videos on the channel say "promo for new Remo product" in the video descriptions.

Professional drummer C.G. Ryche recorded this video of Rob on the drums back in January.

Update: It appears that this performance was held to showcase Remo drum skins (Thanks, Pez).

Thoughts?

I wish for Wish studio vversion

All of your posts seem to relate to something that the band did eight years ago.

A Thousand Suns reflects where they are musically and mentally. I see no reason for them cover Wish at this point. However, there are far greater songs that Nine Inch Nails has done that would be a great choice.