you know mike said that this was going to be something completly different so idk why everyone is so pissed that there arent any b-sides or demos or anything like that. you should have known that something completly different was coming. now did anyone think it was gonna be this far out in left field, no. but still you have to look at it from the bands view, they were just trying to give the fans something new and different. but hey they are trying and who isnt to say that these songs arent random songs they came up with in the making of MTM. it has been said that the majority of those 150s were crap (not saying these are crap or not since i havent heard any of them yet). did this cd go over as well as they expected, probably not. and as far as them releasing these demos and b-sides goes, we all know that mike read our comments prior to the lpu8 cd coming out so you have to assume that he knew what we wanted (demos, etc). i have a pretty good feeling that if he could put out that stuff, he would have. all we can do now is just sit back, enjoy the cd and wait for next year. hopefully, they will see that their lack of cds with the stuff we want is causing members to leave and they will finally get us those demos that we all want!