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[OKCrew]

I have almost completed a Greatest Hits Mix, but the caveat is that it has to all fit on ONE 80-minute CD. Currently the tracklist is:

 

1. One Step Closer

2. Crawling

3. In The End

4. Somewhere I Belong

5. Faint

6. Breaking the Habit (Single Edit)

7. Numb/Encore

8. What I've Done

9. Bleed It Out

10. Shadow of the Day (Single Edit)

11. New Divide

12. The Catalyst

13. Waiting for the End

14. Burn it Down

15 Castle of Glass

16 A Light that Never Comes

17. Guilty All the Same

18. Final Masquerade

19. Heavy

20. One More Light

 

These (untouchable) 20 songs come in at 74 minutes and 44 seconds (1:14:44) only leaving a little over 5 minutes of space, which basically amounts to ONE MORE GREATEST HIT!!

 

There are only 7 Singles left to battle it out for their place on this iconic list (and will be inserted in their rightful spot chronologically):

• Papercut
• Given Up
• Leave Out All The Rest
• Iridescent
• Lost In The Echo
• Until It's Gone
• Talking to Myself

Which out of those 7 belongs up there with the Iconic 20 tracks listed above??

 

Things to Consider:

• Every song should make the non-LP listener go "Oh shit they made that one too!"
• Try to take emotion and bias out of your choice
• HT & M2M are already represented by 3 songs each, and picking a HT or M2M song would make the first 11 of 21 songs from only the first 7 of 17 pro years/3 of 7 albums.
• LOATR is the only song in the poll to reach Platinum status as a single, but that happened last August. It is also the only song in the poll to reach Gold within a year of its release as a single.
• Iridescent, Papercut, and Given Up all reached Gold status last August.
• Lost in the Echo blasts all other songs in the poll out of the water with YouTube views at a staggering 120 Million!
• Until It's Gone is the only song in the poll to reach #1 on any official weekly chart in the US at the time of its release (Billboard US Mainstream Rock)
• Talking To Myself is the newest in the poll and is the least likely to have already reached its potential
• I recognize how Numb/Encore vs. Numb may be controversial but it's only 17 seconds longer and the difference is inconsequential (I tried) so it stays
• I recognize Guilty All the Same may be less known than some songs in the poll, but it might just be the greatest song of all time so it stays
• I recognize I definitely overthought this
• Sorry if this is a repost

 

What is the most obvious choice?? Why?? Am I missing something?? VOTE AND COMMENT!

LP4LIFE!!

 

[martinez]

If I would do the Greatest Hits album, the whole list would look different. besides GU and Irid. I would include all songs from the poll.

[lpliveusername]

I'd say Until It's Gone was definitely the biggest single from The Hunting Party, so I'd include that instead of Final Masquerade regardless of how I feel about either of them.

 

If you want to be impartial about this, I'd say start with the songs that were certified Platinum:

One Step Closer

In The End

Faint

Numb (or Numb/Encore)

What I've Done

Bleed It Out

Shadow Of The Day

Leave Out All The Rest

New Divide

Waiting For The End

Burn It Down

Castle Of Glass

 

Then add the songs that were certified gold:

Crawling

Papercut

Somewhere I Belong

Breaking The Habit

Given Up

The Catalyst

Iridescent

Heavy

 

That's around 71 minutes if you use the single edit of each song (meaning Iridescent is the Transformers version). If you want to include as many songs as you can, you could use the radio edits instead, which would be around 68 minutes.

 

If you want to create a 80-minute compilation, you can check which of the remaining singles did better. Note you don't really have to include songs from every album or even the same amount of songs from each album if you're really only interested in showcasing the band's greatest hits.

 

I'd say Pts.OF.Athrty (or maybe From The Inside if you don't want to include a remix), A Light That Never Comes and Until It's Gone did fairly well. That's around 79 minutes and 23 tracks if you use radio edits. 78 minutes with From The Inside instead of Pts.OF.Athrty, but keep in mind Numb/Encore is also a remix. Or you could include Guilty All The Same and/or Final Masquerade (although I do think Guilty All The Same was bigger than Final Masquerade). In my opinion, Talking To Myself definitely shouldn't go into the list as the band cancelled all promotion for the song following Chester's death, so it didn't do well. One More Light is the most recent single, but as much as I like the song, it doesn't seem to be as big as the others as it didn't get much promotion.

 

I'm saying all that based on Wikipedia, so I could be wrong about a few of those songs or the page might not be up to date.

[OKCrew]

If I would do the Greatest Hits album, the whole list would look different. besides GU and Irid. I would include all songs from the poll.

What four songs from the list would you eliminate to include those 5 from the poll?

I'd say Until It's Gone was definitely the biggest single from The Hunting Party, so I'd include that instead of Final Masquerade regardless of how I feel about either of them.

 

If you want to be impartial about this, I'd say start with the songs that were certified Platinum:

One Step Closer

In The End

Faint

Numb (or Numb/Encore)

What I've Done

Bleed It Out

Shadow Of The Day

Leave Out All The Rest

New Divide

Waiting For The End

Burn It Down

Castle Of Glass

 

Then add the songs that were certified gold:

Crawling

Papercut

Somewhere I Belong

Breaking The Habit

Given Up

The Catalyst

Iridescent

Heavy

 

That's around 71 minutes if you use the single edit of each song (meaning Iridescent is the Transformers version). If you want to include as many songs as you can, you could use the radio edits instead, which would be around 68 minutes.

 

If you want to create a 80-minute compilation, you can check which of the remaining singles did better. Note you don't really have to include songs from every album or even the same amount of songs from each album if you're really only interested in showcasing the band's greatest hits.

 

I'd say Pts.OF.Athrty (or maybe From The Inside if you don't want to include a remix), A Light That Never Comes and Until It's Gone did fairly well. That's around 79 minutes and 23 tracks if you use radio edits. 78 minutes with From The Inside instead of Pts.OF.Athrty, but keep in mind Numb/Encore is also a remix. Or you could include Guilty All The Same and/or Final Masquerade (although I do think Guilty All The Same was bigger than Final Masquerade). In my opinion, Talking To Myself definitely shouldn't go into the list as the band cancelled all promotion for the song following Chester's death, so it didn't do well. One More Light is the most recent single, but as much as I like the song, it doesn't seem to be as big as the others as it didn't get much promotion.

 

I'm saying all that based on Wikipedia, so I could be wrong about a few of those songs or the page might not be up to date.

 

 

Wow you giving me a lot to think about to think about. Rearranging the list now and you're spot on with the song times. I guess I do have my own biases. I want the albums to be a equally represented as possible, but that's not necessarily how GH's work.

 

I am hesitant to go by straight Gold/Platinum statuses because so many just hit those marks last August, but that also doesn't necessarily matter either. And I'm basing a lot on my memory of what was playing a lot on LA radio, which is a skewed view in and of itself, as someone once pointed out to me that LP is an LA band so it will sort of pick its own favorites. For example, I definitely remember Final Masquerade on the radio way more than Guilty All the Same or Until It's Gone.

 

I'm definitely going to keep tinkering and getting more input, but this response absolutely satisfies even if no one else replies! Thank you!

[Geki]

Until It's Gone was basically the biggest single from THP. GATS was the first single but it didn't do well and it didn't even get proper promotion, etc. Until It's Gone was promoted properly, it had a debut on Zane Lowe, had a proper music video, had a single CD release, etc. Final Masquerade had all of that as well, but Until It's Gone was bigger. I also wouldn't include ALTNC on a greatest hits release. I would probably do a similar tracklisting but choose some singles over others, etc.

 

01. One Step Closer

02. Papercut

03. Crawling

04. In The End

05. Somewhere I Belong

06. Faint

07. Breaking The Habit

08. Numb/Encore

09. What I've Done

10. Bleed It Out

11. Shadow Of The Day

12. Leave Out All The Rest

13. New Divide

14. The Catalyst

15. Waiting For The End

16. Burn It Down

17. Lost In The Echo

18. Castle Of Glass

19. Until It's Gone

20. Final Masquerade

21. Heavy

22. One More Light

 

Fits under 80 mins. I chose Numb/Encore over Numb, like you, because Numb/Encore won a Grammy for the band and because it uses Numb. I left out some of the main singles because I felt like they weren't as massive as the ones I chose. I wanted to represent all the albums. I would have liked to add a heavier song from THP, but let's face it, it wasn't successful commercially, definitely not the heavier tracks. I chose One More Light to end it out because it's a perfect ending to me, and it did become a single in October.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Geki

[OKCrew]

Until It's Gone was basically the biggest single from THP. GATS was the first single but it didn't do well and it didn't even get proper promotion, etc. Until It's Gone was promoted properly, it had a debut on Zane Lowe, had a proper music video, had a single CD release, etc. Final Masquerade had all of that as well, but Until It's Gone was bigger. I also wouldn't include ALTNC on a greatest hits release. I would probably do a similar tracklisting but choose some singles over others, etc.

 

 

A list similar to mine or lpliveusername's? Also did you guys vote?? I'm guessing yours would be for UIG? Yeah see ALTNC is where my bias comes in because I just remember seeing and hearing that song everywhere in non-LP circles (mainstream radio, etc)

[Geki]

Voted for UIG. LOATR was a close second. ALTNC, I didn't think it was THAT big. Maybe it was? I never heard it on mainstream radio back in 2013 or anything. It would be hard to make a greatest hits album under 80 mins so it could fit on a disc. There are so many hits from LP, unlike other bands. Lol.

 

If you did a 2 CD thing, you could easily have the second CD start with New Divide and go all the way until One More Light, all the singles. Maybe a few live cuts of the singles on there even as bonus tracks. And the first CD could have from OSC to LOATR, with the same idea.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Geki

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

The most amazing thing in this thread is your old school gif from Reanimation OKCrew.

[OKCrew]

Until It's Gone was basically the biggest single from THP. GATS was the first single but it didn't do well and it didn't even get proper promotion, etc. Until It's Gone was promoted properly, it had a debut on Zane Lowe, had a proper music video, had a single CD release, etc. Final Masquerade had all of that as well, but Until It's Gone was bigger. I also wouldn't include ALTNC on a greatest hits release. I would probably do a similar tracklisting but choose some singles over others, etc.

 

01. One Step Closer

02. Papercut

03. Crawling

04. In The End

05. Somewhere I Belong

06. Faint

07. Breaking The Habit

08. Numb/Encore

09. What I've Done

10. Bleed It Out

11. Shadow Of The Day

12. Leave Out All The Rest

13. New Divide

14. The Catalyst

15. Waiting For The End

16. Burn It Down

17. Lost In The Echo

18. Castle Of Glass

19. Until It's Gone

20. Final Masquerade

21. Heavy

22. One More Light

 

Fits under 80 mins. I chose Numb/Encore over Numb, like you, because Numb/Encore won a Grammy for the band and because it uses Numb. I left out some of the main singles because I felt like they weren't as massive as the ones I chose. I wanted to represent all the albums. I would have liked to add a heavier song from THP, but let's face it, it wasn't successful commercially, definitely not the heavier tracks. I chose One More Light to end it out because it's a perfect ending to me, and it did become a single in October.

 

That is a great list. And right! That's just another reason why I can't part with GATS on the final cut. Even though, as you said, it wasn't promoted right (although it is the only track from THP we got a making-of vid of), it's just too important and too representative of their actual sound that year. Also it's arguably their greatest collaboration. And yeah another point of local biases is that you have Lost in the Echo over ALTNC. I don't remember hearing LITE on the radio at all, but ALTNC was everywhere, at least in LA.

 

Voted for UIG. LOATR was a close second. ALTNC, I didn't think it was THAT big. Maybe it was? I never heard it on mainstream radio back in 2013 or anything. It would be hard to make a greatest hits album under 80 mins so it could fit on a disc. There are so many hits from LP, unlike other bands. Lol.

 

If you did a 2 CD thing, you could easily have the second CD start with New Divide and go all the way until One More Light, all the singles. Maybe a few live cuts of the singles on there even as bonus tracks. And the first CD could have from OSC to LOATR, with the same idea.

 

Definitely agree that a 2-Disc would be easier, and allow for more remix/live type stuff, but that's the point! There's a brutal art to trying to keep it to that arbitrary limit. Also the point of this mix is to limit to the straight-up iconic, and I'm still somewhat hesitant to go just based of sales/status because a lot that changed just a few months ago... but maybe that's irrelevant.

 

The most amazing thing in this thread is your old school gif from Reanimation OKCrew.

 

Finally someone appreciates the MikeBot! Does anyone else remember the Reanimation website? This was my AIM icon.

[lpliveusername]

Final Masquerade might be more radio friendly than Guilty All The Same, but I feel like Guilty All The Same was pushed a lot more as it was the first single from the album and, as consequence, was more successful (believe it or not, I've seen the music video on TV). Final Masquerade had potential to be huge, but when it came out I had the feeling the label had kind of given up on the album as it wasn't selling as well as the band's previous works. The general public also seemed to be uninterested in the album at that point.

I know a lot of people in the fan base hate the collaborations with Steve Aoki (I personally like Darker Than Blood, mostly because of Chester's vocals) but I agree with it being included in this. While I do agree Lost In The Echo is a better song, it was nowhere as big as A Light That Never Comes. I think it being a collaboration might have played a role in how big the single was as it had two artists (and both their fan bases) getting behind the song.

I am hesitant to go by straight Gold/Platinum statuses because so many just hit those marks last August, but that also doesn't necessarily matter either.

That's actually an interesting point. It's like, "is a single's success measured by the impact it caused upon its initial release or by how much impact it still has years after its release?"

[OKCrew]

Final Masquerade might be more radio friendly than Guilty All The Same, but I feel like Guilty All The Same was pushed a lot more as it was the first single from the album and, as consequence, was more successful (believe it or not, I've seen the music video on TV). Final Masquerade had potential to be huge, but when it came out I had the feeling the label had kind of given up on the album as it wasn't selling as well as the band's previous works. The general public also seemed to be uninterested in the album at that point.

 

I know a lot of people in the fan base hate the collaborations with Steve Aoki (I personally like Darker Than Blood, mostly because of Chester's vocals) but I agree with it being included in this. While I do agree Lost In The Echo is a better song, it was nowhere as big as A Light That Never Comes. I think it being a collaboration might have played a role in how big the single was as it had two artists (and both their fan bases) getting behind the song.

 

That's actually an interesting point. It's like, "is a single's success measured by the impact it caused upon its initial release or by how much impact it still has years after its release?"

I pretty much agree w everything in your first two paragraphs and I'm once again coming to the conclusion that by allowing a GH to include more than just what sold six-figure numbers, but is also still limited to only a few more songs than that, makes it so it may never FEEL totally right because it will likely always leave you going "well what about that one? If you included this one why not this one?" I see now my biggest dilemma is loving THP so much and it not being anywhere near where it should with regard to the gen pub. (Even though Reanimation is my FAOT and i seem to have no problem snubbing it here lol)

 

To piggy back off your last point about impact now vs impact at time of release... the most difficult thing for me right now is just why.

 

Given Up and LOATR both increased their numbers by 10x within 30 days of 7/20/17. The other 2 singles that made that kind of jump were Papercut, which Chester was known to say was his favorite, and Iridescent, which has sort of become Mike and the guys' go-to anthem for coping. (Also acknowledging that LOATR was already Gold in 09, likely because of fans of the Twilight movie, but then it jumped to Platinum in the same timeframe the other three went Gold).

 

On a personal level, considering those four songs greatest hits because of how much their numbers jumped last summer weirdly reiterates to me what happened really happened, while the meanings behind two of these songs have changed drastically and morbidly, and I guess I'm not yet accepting of the fact that this is a real part of the Linkin Park story.

 

That said, it's probably only a matter of time before The Messenger permeates outside LP-fan circles, where we already regard it as legendary. I mean that might be one of the greatest vocal performances of all time period....

 

I also just wanna tell yall it means a lot to be able come up in here and talk about this stuff. I gotta gf, friends and fam who are all great, but none of them can talk LP like this so thanks. Ok I'm done bein sappy.

[Geki]

I'm gonna make my own version of this on CD that features from HT-MTM only.

[OKCrew]

I'm gonna make my own version of this on CD that features from HT-MTM only.

That sounds like good call. You can include Reanimation, CC, live stuff, demos, and underground tracks in that too!

[kcg]

DISC ONE

01. One Step Closer

02. Crawling

03. Papercut

04. In The End

05. A Place For My Head (Come on, how can you not include this song? It's a classic!)

06. Somewhere I Belong

07. Faint

08. Numb (I don't care if Numb/Encore is already on it, both versions of Numb are Greatest Hits worthy.)

09. Breaking The Habit

10. Numb/Encore

11. What I've Done

12. Bleed It Out

13. Shadow Of The Day [single Edit]

14. Leave Out All The Rest

 

DISC TWO

15. New Divide

16. The Catalyst

17. Waiting For The End

18. Iridescent (The full length album version. The single version is ruined by the added percussion in the first verse.)

19. Burn It Down

20. Lost In The Echo

21. Castle Of Glass

22. A Light That Never Comes

23. Guilty All The Same

24. Until It's Gone

25. Final Masquerade

26. Heavy

27. Talking To Myself

28. One More Light

Edited May 4, 2018 by kcg

[OKCrew]

DISC ONE

01. One Step Closer

02. Crawling

03. Papercut

04. In The End

05. A Place For My Head (Come on, how can you not include this song? It's a classic!)

06. Somewhere I Belong

07. Faint

08. Numb (I don't care if Numb/Encore is already on it, both versions of Numb are Greatest Hits worthy.)

09. Breaking The Habit

10. Numb/Encore

11. What I've Done

12. Bleed It Out

13. Shadow Of The Day [single Edit]

14. Leave Out All The Rest

 

DISC TWO

15. New Divide

16. The Catalyst

17. Waiting For The End

18. Iridescent (The full length album version. The single version is ruined by the added percussion in the first verse.)

19. Burn It Down

20. Lost In The Echo

21. Castle Of Glass

22. A Light That Never Comes

23. Guilty All The Same

24. Until It's Gone

25. Final Masquerade

26. Heavy

27. Talking To Myself

28. One More Light

This looks pretty perfect to me as far as a 2-discer would go

[OKCrew]

I finally acquired the last missing piece I needed to make a revised version of this (The Catalyst CD Single) and this is what I now have: 

 

This way HT & Meteora each get 4, M2M, ATS, & LT each get 3, and THP & OML each get 2. I know it's technically incorrect having Papercut before OSC, but by God it's the greatest intro track ever and leads into OSC beautifully (also it's the perfect pick-me-up after OML ends and the CD starts over).

 

The one unfortunate thing is that everything is pretty much locked in. I went against some of my own original logic using the original Numb and the Radio Edit of GATS for the sake of being able to include as many songs as possible. UIG would technically fit in place of GATS, but I know the band themselves even like GATS better (even if the version on the mix now is unfortunately Rakim-less), as they fended off the label's insistence that the lead single of THP be UIG or Final Masquerade, the latter of which ended up the biggest song off the album. Even though I love UIG especially for how it messes with time signatures and the video ended up being awesome, I feel the two I chose both represent THP better than any other two that would fit on the disc!

[OKCrew]

That said, while the one-disc version has taken me over a year to narrow down, the two-disc version literally took me two minutes and doesn't leave out a single non-promo-only single, and every song is the full album-version:

Disc 1

Disc 2

 

AND there's about 3-4 minutes to spare in case I'm missing something glaring

Edited March 24, 2019 by OKCrew