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7 hours ago, LPsMart said:

 

 

naaah definitely not. but I'm both excited and anxious about the future and what's to come

Thats true, we are going straight into a future where all the stuff I mentioned is easily possible with one mouse click. If not more.

4 hours ago, LPsMart said:

George Martin and Crew actually did that for The Beatles' 1, Love and the RB game, with technology we would never had believed to exist back then

I don´t know anything about the software they used but I cartainly can´t ge Clean Drums out of any software like RX8 the more Overheads the more it gets that underwater filter like sound, if they would go for that kind of low tech approach instead of just leaving the tracks without masters out then its just shoddy. HT itself sounds totaly fine and I´m sure the tracks with the multitracks available will too. 

But the second problem comes from how I found out they mixed HT for this release if we take Papercut for example 

The center track contains Lead vocals,Bass some synths and The Kick, Snare, the Hihat mics and the two sampled beats that run troughout most of the song. The Drum Overheads and room mics are on the first two Channels. You can maybe with everything you got get a somewhat usable drum track, no software I heard of can split a Drum bus into its elements again. Let alone decipher a samples beat from what counts as overheads for example. 

I´m no beatles fan but I´m guessing in the early stages they used Max 2 guitar tracks, 1 bass, 2 or 3 vocal tracks and maybe a stereo drum track. Like I said in a previous post the more tracks the session got the more problem then to happen with filtering software. RX works great if you have a simple track with just Drums bass guitar and Vocals. 

3 minutes ago, LPsMart said:

I'm pretty sure they don't even have all the original stems themselves. e.g. Reading My Eyes was a direct remaster from a 1-track-tape.

about the technology: what I've learned about how AI treatment does shit is shocking. you could even like extract single instruments from RME but still.. there's a difference between stems and deconstructed stems (even though the quality has increased alot over the last year.) If you're interested in deconstructing songs I suggest you getting a free trial of izotope's RX8.

I have RX8 but there are still artefacts when extracting, the more instruments the more artefacts. IMO thats something we can do to play around with or make remixed but not something for an official release from the band. I would love to hear from someone who was heard some of the older tracks in Atmos. Stuff like RME wasn´t even recorded properly too there is no way you can filer all the necessary Tracks out of a single stereo file. 

RX8 can do stuff we dind´t believe a few year ago, but if I try to filter out the voice of a densly produced track its still sounding filtered out. You can maybe get a presentable Acapella out of a track, but never a good drum track or single guitar track. 

20 hours ago, martinez said:

Fundamental question: is it possible that they have a stems of all 80 tracks from Hybrid Theory (20th Anniversary Edition) or that is nearly impossible?

I see no other way to mix it,or at least all the stems that the band has. If I´m not wrong since the atmos channels are like little submixes, yout can´t cleanly take out drums from a track, maybe there is such technology but that would probs not work on songs that are packed that tight like LP productions are. Then its also a release by a huge band I don´t think they would do half measures in that regard. 

Worst case would be the songs that just have no stems anymore since they lost them or whatever just won´t have Atmos verisons.

What were the differences in across the line again? 

I sometimes wonder if the "alternate" versions are the proper versions and the other ones are something like tests to see how stuff sounded that through mislableing got mixed, mastered and released. 

One would normaly say thats impossible but you never know if the band even listened to the album before it was allready out.

8 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:

It seems like it could be possible that the band took something from TTTAMP to make Burn It Down. I know they're literally like a decade apart but the chords are a bit similar, same key, and the hi hats are somewhat similar and the tempo is about the same. Idk maybe that song had some inspiration from TTTAMP. This could just be a coincidence though and they just happen to sound similar. The wizard song is also strangely similar. As i've said before, the instrumental of wizard song maybe could have been a demo of TTTAMP.

I think it sounds just a bit similiar because thats how Mike programs beats, if it would be the exact pattern it would be different but BID has a different hihat pattern. The Wizard song theory could hold more truth though!

5 hours ago, lpliveusername said:

http://linkinpedia.com/index.php?title=List_Of_Unreleased_Songs#Flower

Interesting, She Couldn´t was always really interresting for me. The guitar part and overall structure was very different for LP at that time.

Wait, where does this Flower info come from?

3 hours ago, Coizu said:

I don't really get this. Music is usually created from the beginning to end with stereo in mind (excluding movie scores). Every other form/mix is just an afterthought, created with whatever was available. I wouldn't be surprised if no one in the band ever heard the surround version, let alone approving it. For me this sounds more like a fun gimmick feature to sell a service.

I would second that. You can do interesting stuff with the masters and I wish I had the possibility to listen to the album in In Atmos, but at the end of the day the Album was recorded for the normal consumer wich is Stereo. Keep in mind Hybrid Theory was recorded in 2000, I think that is quite a bit earlier than consumer 5.1 equipment came on the market, I´m having trouble finding out when exactly "affordable" home systems became available. Also the Reanimation 5.1 seemed to be little more than a fun gimmick since it never cought on with the later albums. ATS or LT would sure been interesting but it seems like it wasn´t woth the trouble. 

1) War

2) ALTNC Rick Rubin reboot

Has an ATS vibe, I like it. I guess most of the time Mike is just playing around, if he wants he puts out something really good without even trying^^

Isn´t it funny that everyone got mad about the "Chipmunk Vocals" on OML? If you listen to the quiet part of the APFMH bridge you can clearly hear that there is a pitched up vocal of Chester, not as extreme as in Good Goodbye but i still find it kind of ironic. Also I THINK the guitar in papercut is different from the multitracks that are allready out there, there is a little string scraping sound that is present in the 5.1 tracks that is not present on the Multitracks.

46 minutes ago, LPsMart said:

I think we're all just trying to get a better look inside WY, POA, CFTI and APFMH, right?

for me it's especially APFMH

shhhhhh🤫 😁😁

Can someone send me the link to buy it? I don´t really find anything if I search for Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 5.1

Is there some way to split the layers like with reanimation?🤔

Yes and no, I don´t remember every little demo either but back around Meteora in order for the song to get vocals it had to be pretty late in the writing process. That would narrow it alot from how many demos they did for meteora to alot less songs that had vocals recorded. 

Also like i said Mike does his absolute best to keep his answers as nondiscript as possible, wich i find pretty obvious. If its so that he does not get asked to release it by fans all the time or that the lable told him to just say you don´t know about it. Mike is sure forgetfull, but so am I and if someone would ask me something about a song I have written and don´t remember I would get curious to be honest.

3 minutes ago, IWillWalkAway said:

Found the stream where he talks about that other (more mellow) song. Time stamp is 2:06:18. He talks a little bit about the other unreleased song we know about. (Not TTTAMP)

Neat! Seems like the part we all know is the Chorus.🤔

24 minutes ago, jopevc said:

Or maybe he likes to "play" with us, like " I know that they like that demo a lot so I´m not going to talk about it to keep the them hyped up and then release it". Maybe its this because the mistery around demos is what sometimes keeps the fans interested in them, but its just my opinion

That would be the best scenario for sure but i don´t see that happening unless Meteroa 20 or something. LPU is not releasing demos anymore and LP hasnt released any random demos just because.

Also i think Mike if would want to build hype he would say something other than "oh i dont know anything about that" He could say"of thats a really cool song we worked on, shame its not released" or something like that. With Happy endings mike just said you need to play it on repeat or something like that, so hes not really subtle about that^^

2 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:

That could be but it is possible that he genuinely doesn’t know. You have to remember how many songs Linkin park has wrote. And since “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” isn’t the most memorable he very well probably won’t remember it until hearing it. Once he hears it though he’ll probably say “Oh that’s that song!” We showed him that one Meteora demo once (the beautiful piano one that soaring man made a cover to) and he remembered it. We just gotta show him and he’ll probably remember it.

 

I also made my own custom demo/cover of the song. I had to redo it once and it took pretty long. It’s not fantastic but it’s ok:

 

The verse sections sound really good, the chorus not so because its missing guitar and real drums but if you wan´t i can try to record some for the song. I´m not as good and acurate as Astat but I did try to build some profiles for the kemper and they sound pretty close. 

Also yeah its not that i don´t believe that Mike genuinely doesn´t know that particular song after all those years but I´m sure he has been asked about this demo more than a few times and in the one linked someone even gave him a timestamp and he just does not seem to really care at all or like i said he plays it safe. 

Could you by chance link me the stream where he talks about the piano song? That was always one of my favourite Meteora demos!

1 hour ago, NJPLP said:

All we need to do now is show Mike this clip from "LPTV Episode 5: The Vocals", or the same exact version of the clip from "The Making Of Meteora".

To be honest i kind of get the vibe that mike just don´t want to talk about stuff like that. He is always really vague and i´m pretty sure he know that the more info he gives out the more people will pry for a release or something. I think that why he is "ignoring" the timestamps and just goes "yeah i don´t know about that song really, guys we did a lot of soungs that went nowhere" because he cant releaes what he doesnt know.

I´ll be mike gets a ton of messages daily like "release friendly fire" or else, that must suck too. Just get the vibe that mike is playing it safe here and is just for his sake not revealing to much but thats just my guess.

31 minutes ago, hybrider said:

Great work, but this is like Thoughts That Take Away My Pride sounds: https://youtu.be/FcjCiIQ5qWA

The Verse parts sound really good! But sampled guitars just don´t sound right, also if we go from what we allready have from meteora demos i would say there has to be some kind of "heavy" bridge i think.

2 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Could you make folders for each song with the specific samples mentioned and upload them to Google Drive?

As .SND? if yes i can do that. If .wav i would too greatly appreciate.

1 minute ago, LPsMart said:

yeah I'm sorry bout that, but then again the latest update is from 2004, we couldn't expect any different

Don´t worry about that, maybe someone will upload the folder or something if but its not that important.

47 minutes ago, LPsMart said:

that's not a program you open. you drag your files onto the exe and then the .wav files will be in the source folder

if that's still a problem, try to find out if your pc can emulate x32bit, if it's x64

Oooooh its 32bit, that explains it. The intro text explains the stuff with dragging onto the icon but i guess its because its 32bit then.

On 4/24/2021 at 7:34 PM, lpliveusername said:

 

If anyone is interested, here's a free software to convert snd to wav so they're playable on any device:

http://www.mpc3000.com/wavsnd.htm

Was anyone lucky with tha program? i only get an error message saying me to contact support