Energy

great!!! thank you

 

do you know the date of this show?

I don't know the date yet. I will ask him but don't hold your breath for an accurate one.

I present to you...

 

Tracklist

01. The Game You Can't Win

02. Bridges Under Water

03. Bitter Pill

04. Sick Nationalistic

05. NYC Blackout

06. Hyperballard (Bjork Cover)

07. This Is My Ruin

08. Again

 

That's a quick tracklisting I've thrown up. Literlly I've had this minutes and I'm about to head out. But this is awesome. The recording is very high in gain, but it's listenable and probably the only TRF live recording we'll get. Huge thanks to Benjamin for it!!!!!!

 

 

Exciting update!

 

I've just heard from Benjamin, the lead singer of TRF.

 

First I'll get the not so exciting out the way:

 

• The "Little One/Big Gun" track is an early version of This is my ruin, so nothing we're missing. I had suspected this as the two descriptions of this track were similar, but different enough to suspect different tracks.

• The Benjamin doesn't know anything about the train demo CD I remember, says it's either something figment from the past or was done without his knowledge (both are possible).

• He says this about NYC radio edit As far as I know, the radio edit of NYC Blackout has been lost to the sands of time, but I'll do a bit of checking around to see if any of the other guys have it. If not, you're not missing out on to much. The edit was really just cutting the song off after the big verse and before the big outro, so it dropped down to one guitar and vocal, as does the original version, when I sang: "Think it's time I find a hiding place/Think it's time I finally slip away…" and ended on the word away. No band coming back in. No build up to the big payoff. Far inferior version, in my humble opinion, but nonetheless, I will try and track it down, and if I can, it's yours. - If he sends it I'll post it. He encouranges our continued sharing!

Now for the most exciting - I asked about getting a live recording... I'll let you read this in Benjamin's own words.

"As it happens, a few years back, Joel sent all of us a video he had unearthed of a show we played very shortly after Demonstrate was recorded. It's not the greets audio quality and we were not at the height of our live prowess as we'd just come out of the studio and hadn't been playing out for a while, but it does include a cover version of the song "Hyperballad" by Bjork that was always a live favorite of mine, as well as most of the songs on Demonstrate. I'll upload it to youtube in the next few days and send you a link so you can share away."

 

So we should soon have the first and likely only gig recording of TRF very shortly... I'll post as soon as I get a link!

 

Benjamin is working on a new solo album and he plans on releasing it later this year and he's said he'll share some music with me if I'm interested so I think it would be cool to keep an ear out...

Good to finally hear Pendulum & JayZ. Was at the show, but warner bros had screwed up the LPU m&g, so 2 friends and I had to organise it at the last minute. Was gutted not to at least hear pendulum (got to see them at the Prodigy show at the same venue a few years later so that made up for it.

 

Thanks for this!

I'm just going to sit here and pray that LPL could get this as an exclusive...

LPL will be involved somehow in the release. But we're waiting for something for tactical purpose!

so somedude, the right Sampler files already in the zip?

The 1.2 package he has up has the 3 sampler tracks in its own folder

All I heard, personally, was that the tracks were all quieter, though that was a consequence of the conversion from FLAC to mp3. Really, in retrospect, the sampler is just that - a sampler. No huge changes to any of the songs. I still appreciate you uploading it for us, however.

They're close... very close but they are different (closer than I remember but heck the fans really debated over which version they preferred). Load up the two versions of Bitter Pill and go to the 44 second mark on both. As the chorus ends and the new verse begins listen to the little guitar that accents at the 47 seconds. In the original version it just does one accent a pause then a muted version of the accent. In the demonstrate version the mix hides partially the first accent and then the second one is louder and finishes with some feedback.

 

Put some headphones on and listen to the verses, the vocals on the demonstrate version have more reverb.

 

There are lots of little differences throughout though most of them are just down to the remaster. There are extra guitar parts flecked throughout.

 

I think Again is purely a remaster - with the levels played with. Not 100% sure but I'm not noticing any major differences.

 

The volume differences of the copies you have do make it harder - but I promise they are different

They should be different. Will check later but their isn't huge differences. They were remastered for demonstrate and a new guitar was added for bitter pill. Really only for completists.

the guys from LPL have the full show

for sure.

Trust me - only 3 people have the show. I'm one, the VHS holder is the other, and then the final person is the one person I ever traded the show with. I only did that cause they've done a lot for LP fans and he's one of the good guys. LPL guys don't have it... yet

I'm gonna wait to download until the full show is released. I really hope that comes someday... Would be a great exclusive.

We'll work on it

If you could rip the audio from the CD and post it, that'd be awesome, to see if it's stuff we already have.

 

A live show would be a great addition to the zip, too. Really, thanks again for helping me so much with this. I'm glad I rediscovered them - they're really talented.

 

Could you ask him about The Red Disaster, by the way? I'm just really curious about it.

 

EDIT AGAIN: V. 1.1 of The Complete Rosewood Fall has been released.

I'll rip the CD tonight then you can throw them in your ZIP.

 

Yeah I would love to hear a live show as I never got to hear them live. He's not responded yet, but seems Jim's website has gone awol and he was the one who gave the LPA zip.

 

I'll ask him about it - to my understanding they're just recording sessions with album name concept ideas.

 

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CD RIP - 3 Track TRF Promo

Go un-dust it then. If it's VHS, I can transfer it!

If I can convince them to send it then I will undust and transfer it myself (remember it will be PAL). I have a professional VHS from when a company was getting rid of equipment sitting here and waiting for it to arrive.

 

I've talked to them online recently but only in passing...

The primary reason I've held off to this point. Shame that pieces of audio and info have leaked out, but unavoidable in today's age, methinks.

Heck I did the tracklisting for the LPU years ago so it's public. The live tracks were put on the LPFuse as releases with permission of the VHS holder... the Faint instrumental wasn't though... I gave that to one person and I know who that person was, shame you can't trust people. (Don't worry Nick, not you)

 

So there's plenty of public knowledge about the release - but if we can get the VHS then it would be a truly unique release.

 

Offer money as a last resort, that helps sometimes, we can definitely help out! I know that sounds kinda "sad" but sometimes that's the only way to get stuff.

Possibly, but I don't feel that this person would take it. I rarely talk to them either - and last I knew it was just sitting there gathering dust.

I know Nick has been trying to figure things out with you for a while now but he seems to be very busy lately.

Yeah we both have been - I've had a death in the family, and multiple other things going on. I think the agreement is that we want to release it - we want to have it special. We have some fun ideas... but timescales and feasibility is still someway off. Also might make a last ditch attempt to see if I can get the VHS but really not holding my breath...

there are 2 Faint samples

 

nice find

Yeah the faint samples are from them either setting up for faint or having just finished playing it I can't remember. Can have a listen and tell you if you want.

 

 

Do you still plan on releasing it?

It's a strong possibility - I just have to be careful as I don't want to get people in trouble and this was a great show. If it does get released it will be done as something special. lpfuse & lplive will work together in some form and make something special about it. It has some unique moments... however what's more frustrating is that it's sourced from a VHS - I watched the video while recording the audio but the tape was never in my possession.

 

 

Rude version of "Don't Stay"?

whoaaa,interesting.

Yeah - it's mainly in the intro. Chester says 'pull out your titties!'. Then in time to the music mike chants 'f**k'. And just before the song breaks fully he says 'get the f**k up!'. Originally I thought it was a once off, but they do it a second time in the show (i believe once the audience arrive)... lol

 

The whole thing has the band joking and laughing over. It has brad doing solos which in 2003 were a novelty for LP. There's lots of little gems like that - but as it's a studio recording I don't want to get people in trouble.

18 - Driving Salinas (First Ever Practice) - broken link.

The band practice track should be fixed now. The filename had an ! in it, for some reason lplive's forum didn't like this.

 

 

Oh damn it, I forgot about Rapidshare changing the permissions. I'll fix that now.

 

In regards to Bitter Pill and Again, were they released in LPA's dump? If so, I might have accidentally pulled them out because I didn't hear any significant differences. I'll check once I'm back on my main computer tonight.

I don't know if they are... I'm not sure if I still have the original mp3 files, but I do have them burned on an audio CD. They're good quality - bitter pill is the easiest to tell.

 

Also I emailed the Lead singer Ben today! Mentioned the two tracks I'm missing and also asked are there any live shows that were ever recorded...

Not had chance to listen (I'm at work) but these are the ones I released on LPFuse as parts of the TOTP gig (including the A06/Shove It track).

 

They're all the same show - from 2003, a couple of days after the nottingham 03.03.03 show.

 

There's a partial SIB too...

Then there's around 40 mins of the band setting up and rehearsing tracks (including a rude version of Don't Stay!)

Followed by a short gig including 2 versions of SiB and on the second attempt brad's string breaks....

 

It's a super rare gig and I have talked about releasing a version of it in some form...

Wow, Energy, all of that is awesome, especially the background information regarding some of the tracks.

 

Coming Up Drum & Bass and Driving Salinas are actually already in the tracklisting for Right as provided in the zip, but thank you anyway. I'll throw Out Out in there.

 

Thank you so much for helping. I'll update the zip with the cover art scans as well (never saw the cover for Right before).

No worries

 

Your zip link wasn't working for me, so I couldn't check. Just knew they were not in the LPA release:

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Does your zip have the demos of Bitter Pill & Again in?

I can confirm that the studio version of this exists. I do have it in my collection; however I am not at liberty to release it and if I did it would kick me very quickly.

 

It's not the best track tbh

So finally had chance to do some scans (also found my demo CD from the band) and also 3 unreleased tracks that I believe are missing from the current online releases:

 

TRACKS TO DOWNLOAD

 

Very Early Band Demo

Out Out - This track is from the same time as Gage Park. It appeared on their original band website, prior to the MSR connection. Gage Park got put on Right, this track on the other hand was ignored, overlooked or something. It's not great but it's the beginning of the band.

 

Missing Right Tracks

17 - Coming Up Drum & Bass - Yes this track really is this short. Look to the description later down in the right section to explain why.

18 - Driving Salinas (First Ever Practice) - Live recording of the first time the band played as a 5 piece. Nice to have.

 

 

 

SCANS TO DOWNLOAD

Left

Cover - JPG

Tracklisting document Page 1 - JPG

Tracklisting document Page 2 - JPG

 

Right

Cover - JPG

Note - JPG

Eric's Mom Tracklisting document - HTML

 

Demonstrate

Cover - JPG

Cover (inside) - JPG

Cover (signed) - JPG - This is the cover to the demo CD the band gave me when I ordered a EP while in Ethiopia. It has 3 tracks 16:9, Break Out & Last Dance - all sound the same as the ones on Left & Right.

Back (inside) - JPG

Back (outer) - JPG

 

Fan Made Promo CD

Promo CD - A friend who was considered one of the biggest fans of the band made these and gave them out. She ran the .co.uk fansite and she was entitled to many of the bands demo CDs including the one that I vaugly remember that used a train passing in a transition. Also she has the radio edit of NYC Blackout. She's not in the UK (she seems to be off traveling most the time!) but when she's about I'll FB her these thread and see if she can help! The tracklisting off this demo CD is the Bitter Pill (demo version), Driving Silanas (same as on Left), Again (demo version) - these were off the official website.

 

Weirdly I indirectly lead to the release of the Bitter Pill (demo), it was something like the band had put up 2 tracks and then announced it would put up the third but at the last minute pulled it for the idea of the Rosewood Fall EP (which would have the track listing Again, Driving Silanas, Bitter Pill, Last Dance). However the band had already uploaded the track in prep to release it, I guessed the URL. I told the band how awesome the track was and that they should probably changed the URL.

 

shortly after they added a new news post saying that they were going to scrap the EP and work towards a new one called Demonstrate, while releasing Bitter Pill (demo) to keep the fans happy.

 

 

Stereo wasn't mastered? Huh. Sounds damn good regardless.

 

Scans would be awesome. If you have the cover(s) for Stereo, that'd be even better. Take your time - no one's in any hurry to have more Rosewood Fall stuff.

Some of the tracks are mastered. But not as one cd, some tracks are incomplete (literally the band lost half the track!) others are rough lives, and most from lossy sources. The artwork for 'right' is literally iTunes track listing. Lots of people who paid for right didn't get it as time was so short and the band was having to move on. I dont personally know anyone else who has an original right. The explanation of what each track was for right was a online HTML file called 'ericsmom.htm' that I have backed up.

Left had a logo design and the explanations printed out in a nice font. Both CDs are just cd-rs. Can do scans of all, including my signed copy if I can find it.

Hey guys,

 

Mark pointed me over to this thread. You'll have to give me a while to find things, busy week with a funeral over the weekend. If I go quiet pm me, I have a lot on.

 

Most the stuff that I have is mentioned in the post that mark links to. Tell me what you want and I'll try to provide. I have found right since then.

 

Remember that Stereo (left & right) were never mastered or anything like that. It was a way of the band getting out the music they made after they realised that the band was going to have to stop. I do know the reason as to why but it's not my place to discuss.

 

I do not have the tracks NYC Blackout Radio Edit & Little One / Little One Big Gun - I think two band members have promised NYC Blackout edit, and both were never able to provide.

 

Also an old friend had quite a few demos from the band that included samples of a train being a transitioning tracks at one point. I got played it down a phone years ago!

 

I have a few rarities from the band, like a demo CD they sent to me while I was out in ethiopia that had 3 (at the time) unreleased tracks plus a cover of demonstrate all signed by the band. Happy to provide scans etc.

Really not liking the changes to SotD or No Roads Left.

 

The beauty in NRL is the build up and this just seems to make the song feel sped up with a tacky drum covering it. It's pretty much a copy and paste of the outro drums over a third of the song. Why do this? It was the best thing to come out of the M2M era.

 

M2M in my eyes was LP's worst release, I listen to Collision Course more than M2M. LP had to find their musical feet and this was the stumble as they did. Later releases have been much better and previous are... well you know... SotD was never my favourite but the synth adds a new cheapness to the song in my eyes. It honestly feels like someone is playing along on a cheap casio kids keyboard to the CD.

 

As for the 'itunes mastering'; I'd love to know if this is actually a band thing or if most of it is putting the songs through one of those 3D song improvment apps. That's what it sounds like, the only difference is that some of the levels of instruments have obviously been played with. Not sold, but it works on some and not on others.

 

The copy of Crystal Method's POA remix sounds better than the LPU2 release. Intruiged to see if people notice any other changes.

Welcome. What prompted you to register? lol

think you'll find my 'epic' post questioning the new lpu... (epic not from my opinion)

Pffft. I am curious as to what you yelled at him about. o_O

That's a long story - mainly revolving close to the Fort Minor time of things... Me and a few others got close to wearing shirts that said 'Don't worry Mike we're not Bec'. Bec's just wonderfully vocal, and Mike n her made up now

 

Bec's also done lots (officially) for MFR & stuff like that. So she's a good egg and knows what she's talking about!