Derbyster

I saw Carnivores, I know how I felt walking in and out of that show. Parts of the intro were solid. GATS, OSC, Rebellion, COG Experience. They went off and were awesome. Blackout interlude sucked the life out of the place, Papercut shortened left people disappointed, someone near me actually left after the Runaway interlude because they were pissed. Every show will be different and get a different reaction. Catalyst is a fucking epic song with a HUGE bridge, WFTE is lit especially with the RTN intro, and One More Light is emotional as hell, especially with a crowd of people singing along, lights in the air etc.. THAT should never leave the set IMO. I'm not disagreeing that ND, BS, Crawling (piano) are poor choices (both at a festival or otherwise), and you're completely free to dislike the set, but trying to say it's such a step down when, if anything, they're about equal as far as "slow stuff/mid-tempo ballads" go (still disagree with that, but let's compromise here) is asinine.

I'm purposefully asinine, because without adjustment, LP will find it hard to land headliner festival spots in the future. And then we're back to 50 min sets with 0 depth to it.

Except I specifically quoted the Carnivores set in the post you replied to, which you proceeded to list a different set from a different tour. And it really is not similarly slow, seeing as, after the initial run, you get BS/ND (fair enough that's slow), but then you get Invisible, RTN/WFTE. BTH, OML, Crawling make up the traditional slow section, then you jump right into LOATR, SIB (don't like it, but it's energetic as hell), WID, toss in ITE with more crowd participation to get them hype, ending with Faint. THP sets had 2 or 3 songs with proper energy mixed in with the boring nonsense in the latter half. Them just running through the set with no breaks for audience involvement/interaction certainly didn't help. The encore is a whole other story and I'm not too thrilled with it, but I still prefer it to Carnivores encore.

Well, I saw the Carnivores set in 2014 too (Berlin) and all of the same arguments can be echoed for that as well. GATS->GU->POA->OSC-BO->Papercut->Rebellion->Runaway was SUPER fun. You can jump along, scream along and really high tempo even when you don't know the songs as a casual fan.

Fact of the matter is that it's murder to play Catalyst, Invisible, New Divide, BS, WFTE, One More Light, Crawling piano version at a metal festival. Half of the set are songs people have never heard of or are mid-tempo ballads with electronic elements attached to it.

Which Carnivores date did you go to that had that start? Because the dates I know had Mashup Intro>GATS>GU>POA/WY>OSC>Blackout (interlude)>Papercut (short)>Rebellion>Runaway (short)>Wastelands. And this "slow" set has significantly more energy than the 2014 or 2015 sets where they played rock festivals too, or did you forget about that sweet, sweet run of Ballad Medley, Robot Boy (interlude), Joe Solo Medley, BID? Or how about that even better Ballad Medley, Robot Boy (interlude), Joe Solo, ND, BTH, Fallout/DTB, BID? Just the fact that the set isn't broken up by instrumentals and interludes every 5 songs is enough to improve the flow.

 

Oh, and I'd somewhat agree TTM isn't the ideal opener for a rock festival like this, but it is certainly plenty energetic.

2015 was part of THP world tour as well. Yes, the middle part I was not that fan of as well, but now it is similarily slow or even more so. Also, if you mention BID then now it is positioned even more strategically in the opening part.

Not even close. Putting Catalyst in as a "super meh live" song discredits anything else you wrote But seriously, in no way is this worse than some of the ATS sets or THP Carnivores sets. They FINALLY changed up the usual order of songs (bring Catalyst, BID, Castle way up to the front, LOATR at the end etc.), and the first part of the set DOES have a ton of energy, it's just not the usual run of "SUPER DISTORTED GUITAR" songs to kick things off.

The so-called "bad" THP set started with "Papercut->GU->Rebellion->POA->OSC-> ALITS-> FTI-> Runaway". This is literally as good as it gets. And compared to that, the current set is super slow. Talking to myself ("energetic") as opener, really? You can do stuff like that at headliner shows, but not at rock festivals, which this tour largely consists of.

Can this setlist be considered the worst of their career? Half of the songs are super meh live (Catalyst, Wastelands, Invisible, New Divide, BS ...)

Especially the first part is very modest. How can a random festival goer enjoy this set?

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call a 5k capacity venue "a intimate" one. It's pretty clear they wanted to play two o2 arenas in a row, but didn't sell well enough so they downsized to a 5k one for the second night.

One of my favourite LP demos. Totally different and unique. Chester is just freestyling it seems:D.

Chester definitely didn't feel well. He almost threw up during New Divide or burn it down. Sounded really sour as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS6qIF0veFY&feature=youtu.be

lol

2008 European Summer tour would be really nice to have.

Chester sounds WAY better than in China. Ton of energy as well. Nice to see

yeah, it's the beginning of let it go.

Medley had an interesting piano outro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgCGvesWt9A&feature=youtu.be&t=4m50s

Stay tuned about the DSP stuff.

 

I guess we'll never see GATS again, this is why they dropped it for May then. I guess otherwise we'd have seen it in the set with ALITS...what a shame. Oh well! I hope Rebellion is back for Europe.

 

No live debuts...shame. They said they ran through all of the album last year in rehearsals....shouldn't be too hard to work one up. No way we see KTTK or MTG on the 2016 tour with a new album coming, unless they tour before it. There will be more songs than ever before, why would they play those 2? Lmao.

 

The album deadline in 2016 + the ticket sales must be why they didn't make that tour up that was canceled.

 

HT 15th Anniversary....please let it be a show.

I'm pretty sure they didn't play all the song from THP in rehearsal, because takes way too long. Bad ticket sales? not really, just chester being busy with STP

Looking at the production value for this tour, MB is bringing in some serious cash.

one song with completed vocals would be sick

"missing kids birthdays"

I mean you were basically handed free money to tour some with a well-known artist. You can never decline that offer and one part of being a musician is being on the road, so that's such a stupid statement.

I hope he continues to jump, as those get me so pumped during live shows, so badass:D. A bit worried after reading the article, but not the end of the world obviously.

I'm worried Europe will have the same setlist as we have now and that would be very boring. They don't have much time to rehearse in the summer at least.

My first listen to A Line In The Sand instantly made me hope for a closing spot on the set. If ANY song in Linkin Park's discography was designed to be a live closer, it's ALITS. Unfortunately it doesn't have that 'huge single' notoriety that nearly every closer from any band ever has.

Was Bleed it Out a huge single? Kappa

ALITS hype #boringsetlistotherwise

Of mice & Men are pretty good i have to say:)

 

why is that? poor sales?

The supply of festivals is at an all-time high and they would have to compete with those "one-off big-ass weekend festivals" which are more popular both for fans and sponsors, so it's is not worth the trouble slash not profitable enough.

hard to agree with the statement that other bands have way more diverse setlist

Paramore plays literally the same setlist half a year in a row, night after night.

NIN doesn't vary either, which is mostly related to the fact that they have a huge production for each song so hard to deliver random songs.

That doesn't mean they suck or whatever. Might be boring to go to 5 shows in a row though yes.

 

Daydreaming, daydreaming all the time (8)

daydreaming great live song:)

danced my ass off last time