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It seems like Joe has stopped using touchscreen MIDI controllers for the (short) North American tour, replacing the Lemur/iPad with a Native Instruments Maschine MK2 with a Custom Kit Dragon Red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM_-iOMlaE(7:44)

How do we know that it was Mike that created the instagram account other than that it says MS.com?

Well, I don't think he would follow a fake Fort Minor account with his own Mike Shinoda account.

Well, so far so good.

 

Now I come the point to create a midi track for Guilty all the Same and I think you guys know what I've to check out next! Astat called it "gradual EQ sweep" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF_xEucEGyI&feature=youtu.be&t=2m4s). I know it is "not possible" to get exactly the same effect, but this effect is not possible by change a preset midi controlled only, because it's gradual. So one case would be to create tons of signals and different presets, but that doesn't make sense at all. I have to create this effect by software on pc side or get another gadget, correct?

Just use software. Does your DAW have an Auto Filter? If that's the case, put one on your guitar's audio track in your DAW. In the case of GATS, use a lowpass filter and automate the frequency so you get the sweep effect while you're playing. If you don't have an Auto Filter, use a normal equalizer in lowpass mode and automate the frequency of one of the EQ's nodes.

 

We aren't going to get that most likely. The album was released quite some time ago, back in June, and we have seen like 3% of the footage from the studio sessions and that was only from short promo videos back then. Someone asked Mike about it at the Summit in Darien Center but I don't remember exactly what he said. He basically said that we aren't getting it, though.

I've asked Rob about it during the Bremen Meet&Greet. He said "yeah we have the footage, maybe we could release it". So basically, it's not gonna happen.

Great show, especially Mike had tons of energy. At the Meet&Greet I requested something different for Mike's medley and suggested a Fort Minor song other than Remember the Name. It ended up being High Voltage which was a great surprise! Also, Joe probably had a cold or something, he didn't do any backup vocals tonight. And no Austin on Faint.

Mike only uses his Maschine during his solo?

On the top of my head, he also uses it for Blackout (the vocal samples in the beginning), Runaway, Wastelands (the synth part during the quiet bridge) and New Divide (for synth bass during the bridge and outro). Brad might also use it on Waiting for the End, I'm not sure.

I believe Mike's using the Maschine for "one-shot" samples that don't need to be manipulated (i.e. drum samples), and the iPads running the Lemur software for synth-y stuff that can be manipulated (the top screen has the pads to play the samples, the bottom screen has the faders to manipulate the settings on them).

Do you know what songs he uses the iPads on exactly? I think I saw him using them on Castle of Glass during the buildup to the drop but apart from that, no idea.

No idea what that is on the upper right of his keyboard tho. Its the only thing I cant put a name too. Ideas?

It's just a computer mouse, a Kensington Expert Mouse to be exact.

http://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/K64325RR/expert-mouse%C2%AE#.U8_HLvl_tI4

He probably uses it to control Ableton.

In terms of other guitar-related gear, neither the band nor their techs are doing any effect patch changes anymore, Brad doesn't even have a pedalboard on stage now. All of the effects patches for ALL of the instruments are triggered automatically by the Ableton Live-powered "brain" computer that basically controls the entire show now.

 

Still haven't figured out what the Pintech pads on either side of Mike's new keyboard setup are used for.

Really interesting (and actually quite risky) that Ableton controls everything now. They probably don't have one Ableton project for everything but rather one for each "act" I guess.

I've finally found out what Mike's drum pads are for (at least one of them)! As you can see on ~1:14:05 in the following video, Mike triggers the New Divide synth bass sample during the Until it's Gone/No More Sorrow/New Divide mashup intro. Has he always done it like this? I think I remember him using the Maschine for that part?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLB0aIGS0zE#t=4866

One thing I add about Mikes Keyboard is I'm about 80% sure Mike has an iPad mini next to the Maschine. You can see him use it during the Mike Solo song. The reason why i think its a Mini is because A) the size of the unit and It looks as tho it has a 8 pin to 30 pin adaptor, then a 30 min cable which will then most likely concert it to Midi.

I think you're right, if I remember it correctly I also saw him using it on Runaway during the Rock in Rio stream.

So... a new touring era has begun! I figured I'd just continue in this topic.

Obviously, Rob seems to have a double bass pedal to play Guilty All The Same. A picture of his current drum kit would be interesting.

http://instagram.com/p/oaE-VFuVWa/

Mike changed his setup almost completely. Instead of his Open Labs Neko XXL he uses a Nord keyboard and a Native Instruments Maschine now. The Nord keyboard that can be seen in the recording / rehearsal pictures on Facebook is a Nord Stage 2 - I assume that's the one he is using for the shows as well. (https://www.facebook.com/linkinPark/photos/a.10152371896971788.1073741829.8210451787/10152383820256788/?type=3&theater)

Additionally, he has several (3 or 4) drum pads for an unknown song (maybe he uses them on Wastelands, I decided not to watch live videos of that song). There also seems to be another device / several devices to the left of the Maschine that I didn't find any pictures of (maybe it's an Ableton Push which they seem to have used in studio). The only thing that "survived" the Living Things era is his Access Virus TI Polar synthesizer.

Brad uses an ebow for the No More Sorrow intro of Until it's Gone which he only used in studio before as far as I remember.

Great release. Would've loved it if we had one completely new finished song (like ATL, WWDK, Slip etc.) but whatever. The Until It Breaks demos were really cool.

01. Basquiat - Reminds me a lot of the interlude between Shadow Of The Day and What I've Done on MTM. It's fitting because it's from 2007, same year MTM was released. Maybe this was one of the options considered for the interlude to bridge those? I remember reading somewhere once that Mike did Bang Three (What I've Done) and a few other demos as a batch. Anyways, great song. I like it. Has a very moody, dark kind of vibe to it. Very different for LP. 8/10

I don't think so. It's structured more like a normal full Linkin Park song (verse, chorus, bridge etc.) but the year 2007 is quite unusual for that kind of instrumental demo. The other two songs from 2007 that we have were finished songs. I think that Basquiat was actually a finished song with vocals (maybe under a different title though) that was supposed to be released on MTM, but What I've Done took its place because Warner decided the album needed a big lead single.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong, LP fucked up the year for the song (wouldn't be the first time) and they just used the Basquiat synth patch for the interlude because they thought it fits.

Great EP, I love it. Chester sounds awesome; also, great bass guitar parts. Now I'm hoping for European STPWCB dates!

Wow, great transcript. Very interesting piece of LP history! Thanks!

Has anyone noticed that Church is in the background also? Interesting since Julien-K said the guys were no longer friends with him. Maybe just Chester is, I love Church, he's the man.

I heard a rumor that he actually went to jail or got arrested, and I have heard rumors that Julien-K told a fan on the 2011 tour that they weren't friends with Church anymore and didn't hang out. No one really knows. I am thinking maybe Chester was friends with Church originally since we have pictures of them together since like late 2004, and maybe the Julien-K guys met him through Chester. Something must have happened to make them all separate.

Yes, Church appearing in the background of the interview was really random. I did ask Ryan about Church back in Hamburg in 2011, and he replied that "Church isn't around anymore" (or something like that) and didn't want to go into details. I think Church used to be "director of tour" or something for Orgy back in the days so he's probably known Amir & Ryan longer than Chester. We'll probably never know what happened between those guys.

Give Me Your Name is also in the same vein as songs like Hands Held High and Robot Boy in terms of vocal layering. If Linkin Park couldn't pull off those two songs with 5 people in the band who could potentially sing harmonies (keep in mind that the band has confirmed the reason they quit playing HHH was solely because of the vocals not sounding right), there's no way DBS could pull off Give Me Your Name with just Chester and Ryan.

Well, DBS also had Elias and Brandon (who are probably better singers than Joe, Brad or Phoenix). They just never bothered to sing backup vocals during the DBS shows.

-Stuttgart 2009: Mike rapping RME over the POA outro, I freaked out and people were staring at me, apparently i was the only one in that part of the venue to recognize the song haha

-Hamburg 2010: during the BIO bridge, Chester started singing the APFMH bridge after Mike did his verse, that was a real surprise and it was probably my personal Linkin Park live highlight

Although the whole planning of the tour was shit, I think it's really great that they brought back With You, Runaway, APFMH and even QWERTY. Not everything was negative.

Thanks for sharing! Probably the closest I'll get to seeing the LT tour, haha

What about the first verse of "Victimized"? I'm pretty sure thats too fast to be done on just a single kick pedal.

 

Of course that part might not be a "live" drum part in the recording of it, but to me it sounds like a double. I dunno about the live version however.

On the studio version, those are probably just programmed drums during the verses (but you are right, if he had played that live, he would have definitely needed a double kick drum). On the live version, Rob plays the kick drum part on his sample pads on the left of his kit while Phoenix triggers the tom and snare samples on his MIDI controller.

I don't know if it'll help but here is a picture I took of Phoenix' pedals during the LPU Summit in Hamburg 2011.

How he used that midi guitar?

He used it to trigger the clear bass synth notes during most of the song and the distorted bass synth notes throughout the glitchy breakdown.

I think it's really hard to tell what parts are actually lip-synched, it some cases it might be just the mic being turned down a lot in the mix while Phoenix/Brad/Joe is actually singing.

What we can say for sure is what songs have vocals that are part of the backing track. Those are:

WTCFM (heys during the outro, maybe the wordless chorus)

WFTE (Ohh's during the chorus; Joe's background part during Mike's verses is live I think)

WAK (heys)

Iridescent (gang vocals)

The Catalyst (No's and "God bless us/God saves us..." during the chorus; not entirely sure about that one)

Lost in the Echo (ohh's during the chorus, maybe also during the verse)

In My Remains ("one by one" during last chorus and outro)

EDIT: Also, I think during the WTCFM video that someone posted, Brad/Phoenix/Joe are definitely doing the hey's live, on top of a (pretty loud) backing track though.

Astat says (http://lplive.net/astat/Guitar_tabs/Living_Things/12%20-%20Powerless.txt) that the verses alternate between 3/4 and 4/4 bars so in other words it is in 7/4 and not 7/8.

Numb for sure. Some of the (maybe over-played) classics like BTH, Crawling, SIB get a little bit boring too but Numb is just the weakest point in a show for me.

Thanks for the information lpmaskmancick! I have always wondered what that thing was!

Warner owns the rights to Fort Minor, not Mike. And I would kill myself if any LP-related act would ever do a feature with Skrillex or Knife Party. I have nothing against their music but a collabo would be horrible.

dont forget that if lp started their carrier with MTM, you wouldnt lp fan...

 

maybe LP really loves most MTM... so it means LP wasnt honest with us while releasing ht & meteora..

 

i dont believe in LP soul... QWERTY song released and after MTM ??? what a weird..

 

everything is money for LP...

 

use your brain... to judge.. deal?

A lot of this doesn't make any sense, as Geki pointed out... The band has said that they love each of their albums equally and felt that each of them was the right thing to do at the time. A Thousand Suns has proved that money isn't LP's only motivation to make music. If they would only be interested in commercial success, they would have released carbon copies of Hybrid Theory until the end of their carrier.