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Per this post on Jeff's Instagram 6 weeks ago:

Someone commented asking "Sooo how come nothing ever came of this? Legal issues?" and he responded "no just time and family stuff just when I was starting the LP stuff. But I’ll get to it soon. Thx !"

Still not hoping for much, but at least there's an update.

17 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

I think there's a gulf of difference between a fan tribute to the man and using his image for commercial gain in a battle royale game. I'm not saying AI voice clones are beyond moral scrutiny, but I don't think the fact I dabbled with that tech prevents me from calling out something like this.

There are tons of ways to make actual tributes, people have been doing so for years. Throwing a song into a website and making someone else sing it is lazy and morally questionable at best. Like Wilderness said, is deepfake porn okay if you call it a "fan tribute"?

6 minutes ago, linkindan said:

Ok, but 2023?

Have they remastered Friendly Fire from the 2016/17 master?

Lost was released in 2023 and is the newest single on it minus Friendly Fire. That's where the 2023 comes from.

56 minutes ago, NJPLP said:

@brGutzy posted what looks to be the album cover on page 18 of this topic.

That green art is the single cover for Friendly Fire, the album art is seemingly the white one that everyone hates that's on the FF snippet.

1 minute ago, IWillWalkAway said:

No, not necessarily. A lot of demos had live drums on them from the 1998-99 era. I don’t think PB would’ve made it that far either. Also keep in mind High Voltage has been confirmed for a while now to be one so that means there’s only two other ones not three, i think.

No, they're referring to what was recorded during the Hybrid Theory sessions, which they're correct about, according to Jeff those three had at least live drums recorded.

High Voltage didn't have live drums and as far as demos having live drums, the only demos that did have live drums to my knowledge were the Xero songs Esaul, Rhinestone, and Pictureboard (which Chester recorded over as well), Fiends, one version of the In The End demo that was excluded from HT20, and "Part of Me", "Carousel", and "And One" off of the Hybrid Theory EP.

1 hour ago, Trumtram said:

Guys, it will be a lot of songs that we've known since forever and 1 (or MAYBE more) unreleased song(s). The hype level feels a bit over the top to be honest. Like, with M20 or HT20 we had at least a lot of possibilities. I don't quite get it. But that's ok of course because you all are getting so hyped up. Good for you!

I'll take anything at this point from a band that's only released anniversary boxsets over the last 7 years. Plus it's almost gotta come with some news about LP's future and I think that's what people are most looking forward to.

On 2/5/2024 at 8:54 AM, SardonicallyParanoid said:

You weren't kidding about us getting loaded up with our grails the last few years. Pictureboard, Could Have Been, Hybrid Theory EP on Streaming, Lost/Thoughts/Resolution/Wizard Song (still fucking insane that it's all one song from different eras of Meteora), we got Cumulus, The Drum Track demo, a SHIT TON of Meteora track demos (Cuidado is still a phenomenal little demo) plus all the proshots I don't have the time or care to mention because jesus christ they've been hooking us up. It gets harder and harder to decide on our grails, BUT, there are some things I personally need to see still. 

 

- Deftest (We were SO FUCKING CLOSE and you mean to tell me NOBODY fucking snagged it???)

- Dreamer, Weight, P O I N T I L L I S M, Ashes, and Turn to Grey

- Live Recordings of Pictureboard, Part of Me (I NEED to know which set of lyrics/screams over pre-chorus or not/"I feel it every day" over the bridge they went with)

- A live Xero show (I'll take anything at this rate, Mark OR Chaz even if I don't like the Mark stuff all that much)

- And One (Live Studio Ver.)

- Grecian
- No Roads Left with Chester (This ain't a want, baby, it's a need)

- Fire in the CIty 

- Get What I Deserve

- Friendly Fire

- Fucking Awesome (HOW is nobody curious about this? Chaz clearly liked it a lot to call it 'Fucking Awesome' and Brad clearly really wanted it too.)

- Ricochet

- Looking For An Answer (Studio)

In case you aren't aware, there is a short clip of a Xero live show with Mark here.

On 1/9/2024 at 2:11 PM, martinez said:

With Foreword track that would be 14. Case closed.

Foreword isn't a song that would be mixed on its own.

On 12/5/2023 at 6:14 PM, Frahho said:

any news on this?

 

He removed the tidbit on his website where he said his One Step Closer book would be made into a movie.

1 hour ago, Robert said:

All demos I mention exist

According Jeff blue book

Everybody knows that slip, and one, pictureboard 2000, is exist

And dozens song recorded for hybrid theory that producer choice the best and everybody want these 

It's not just me

They were recorded, but were they ever bounced is the question. The Wizard Song likely wasn't, we know that because of the version of it we got on M20. Thoughts That Take Away My Pride definitely wasn't, they were recording the album and there's zero chance they would have kept a version of a song with lyrics they didn't like when they were into recording. Same with the "Much Too Easy" version of By Myself. It doesn't exist, they recorded over the line and scrapped it. And again, those three songs are only confirmed to have tracked DRUMS. It's unknown if they ever actually got any other instruments recorded on them, and even if they did, they definitely never made it to the mixing stage. AND EVEN IF THEY DID OR JEFF HAS THE MULTIS AND MIXES THEM HIMSELF, Warner funded the record, they own the masters, and Jeff would be turbo fucked if he released them.

1 hour ago, Robert said:

Hello Mike shinoda

I'm fan

And I just listening to linkin park and I love 1999 to 2007 so I extremely need to demos of these era so please release all stuff that we want

 

Turn to grey

Flower 

Ashes

Slip 2000

And one 2000

Pictureboard 2000

Dust brothers and linking park 

Uncut hybrid theory season 2000

A6 just drag it out

Wizard song

Numb demo

Somewhere I belong demo

Don't stay demo

lying from you demo

Easier to run demo

Nobody's listening demo

And thought that take away my pride (same version in work in progress )

If you care about me release it

No legal problem for these exist

 

You don't need anything. Mike doesn't owe you anything. You want them and that's fine, but stop acting like they're slighting you by not releasing them. Be lucky you're even getting what you're getting from them.

The Slip, And One, and Pictureboard 2000 versions probably never made it past drum tracking and definitely never made it to the mixing stage, Wizard Song likely was never bounced, the Somewhere I Belong, Lying From You, and Easier to Run demos are ALL on M20, and Thoughts That Take Away My Pride doesn't exist anymore. What is "Uncut hybrid theory season 2000"?

And yes, there are legal issues for anything recorded under their contract with Warner.

Just saw this on his website:

"In 2022, Jeff partnered with Mark Wahlberg’s production company to create two music docuseries and his best-selling book “One Step Closer”, (Simon & Schuster) is being made into a major motion picture."

32 minutes ago, LPLStaff said:

 

I think legally, once you get contacted by Warner or LP after posting this statement publicly if you are Jeff, things become much more complicated than just "I am going to release demos online" lol

As I mentioned above, Jeff has a degree in entertainment law. He'd know what he can get away with legally in this regard better than I would. If he hasn't thought about the legality of it, he's probably the biggest buffoon in the music industry. The moral implications I could see, it definitely seems like he's doing it as a "fuck you" to the band and Mark or as a way to gain clout. But we'll see what happens, he hasn't released anything yet.

7 hours ago, thigolpbr said:

I don't think he would announce something like that without thinking. I think this comes from months of conversation before he decided to do this.
we don't know yet how he will do it, but it will happen.
whether it will be shared for download or played live on instagram we don't know yet, but I believe this comes from months of talking to him to do this. and also demos from xero and Hybrid theory(band).

If Mike has no interest in it and Jeff has these demos I don't see why not let the fans hear it, what's the harm in that?
it was also a waste that these demos were left out of HT20, as well as several other things were left out of the box.

We can only hope how Jeff will do it...

 

I think from what we know they are:

Deftest

Dreamer & Weight

Pointillism

Turn To Gray

Ashes

Flower

Yeah, plus even if there was no conversation between the band/Warner and Jeff, the bridge between Jeff and LP was burnt decades ago, they don't want anything to do with him and haven't since Hybrid Theory. Some of their statements about him in interviews indicate as such. It's not like he'd really be losing anything by releasing it. Plus Jeff already confirmed that demos will be a part of the vault. Legality on some things are definitely questionable, but Jeff has a degree in entertainment law so he'd know better than I would.

And Two is another one that Jeff confirmed in an interview around the HT20 time as an outro to And One, otherwise I think it'll mostly be variants of tracks we already have: Mark versions of HT EP songs and Slip, pre-HT EP And One, Xero Instrumentals, and maybe the songs they did at NRG for Hybrid Theory that weren't on the album if they weren't scrapped early on. There's probably other demos we don't know about as well.

1 hour ago, LPLStaff said:

 

lol

 

There is no shot Jeff will be allowed to release any demos to fans. Not only would the band themselves not be ok with that, at all, but Mark, who is on those tracks, would be adamantly against that. Mark is pretty high up in the music industry - completely separate from whatever status LP has in the world. Jeff risking his career by leaking a ton of Xero demos? Doesn't seem logical at all.

 

Not only does Mike not want more Xero out - he had to convince Mark to even agree to put the Xero stuff on HT20. It's very unlikely any more Xero stuff would ever be released.

Someone asked in the comments of his IG announcement post: "Will we get the demos you mentioned in your book? 😮"

Jeff responded: "yes"

Pretty clear cut to me.

1 hour ago, LPLStaff said:

Did you guys see in the band Q&A Mike said Massive's vocals were a guide track for Chester like the BTH demo? Interesting, because Mike sounds great on it.

That makes sense because wasn't Mike hesitant to sing lead on tracks on Minutes to Midnight? That being said the verses feel so tailor made for Mike's range so it'd feel strange to hear Chester on them, the chorus does feel like a big Chester chorus tho.

10 hours ago, linkinepi said:

I believe Mike meant to say he didn't find the multitracks in his drives, and management pulled them from their vault and gave them to him.

 

The songs on the board of the DVD are the following:

 

Cumulus (More the Victim)

Interrogation (Easier to Run)

Cuidado (Lying from You)

Pretty Birdie (Somewhere I Belong)

Shifter (From the Inside)

Shortcut (Fighting Myself)

Nocturnal (Nobody's Listening as confirmed by Mike today on twitter)

Session (Session)

Resolution (Lost)

Faint (Faint)

Sick (Don't Stay)

Plaster II (Figure.09)

Husky (Hit The Floor)

Drawing (Breaking the Habit)

Figure.09 (?)

 

So that leaves working title Figure.09 for Numb or another track which hasn't been released yet (apart from Massive, A.06 and Healing Foot) - a new holy grail if it was so deep in the recording process.

Hopefully someone asked about the Figure.09/Plaster II discrepancy in the Q&A today. They're not different enough demos to have brought both into the studio with them.

26 minutes ago, Awalkinthelinkinpark said:

Gatekeep much? 

Lmao how tf is what I said gatekeeping?

2 hours ago, Awalkinthelinkinpark said:

How is it controversial? People just can't move on when the band clearly has, I'm glad they did. The new one is far superior and fits the idea they had behind the album. This new mix is massive and I'm excited what new roads the band will take, I was wondering what the 2002 would be I thought it was a acoustic or a rough idea. As for those still living in the past let them. Who cares honestly. 

Jesus Christ, for the last time, let people like things without shitting on them for being "StUcK iN tHe pAsT" regarding a song that was never released until 2023 regardless of the mix. That's childish as fuck.

12 hours ago, Coizu said:

Also I will take the bait but the people who prefer the old mix seem like the typical "louder guitars = gooder music!!" group but I'll just leave that topic alone now.

People shouldn't be lumped into the "oNlY hYbriD thEoRy AnD mETeOrA fOr mE!" group because they have a preference to one mix over another of the exact same song that was recorded during Meteora anyways. It's just a different flavor of the same song, just like any of their other songs with different mix variants, such as the Talking To Myself radio mix.

12 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

What's there to be pissed about?

I'm not pissed about it, but it felt unnecessary to release it. It's nearly identical to the LPU9 version. The only differences were the slightly different riff and the extended outro, which isn't very good.

12 minutes ago, IWillWalkAway said:

 

But they are though. We just didn’t know enough for 20 years.

What do you mean? We had the Wizard Song clip, the Thoughts That Take Away My Pride clip, several instances of Lost's instrumental appearing in LPTV videos, isolated instrumentals from those appearances, even fan instrumentals of both and no one came to that conclusion. The only new thing we have at the moment is the final studio version of Lost, which doesn't really provide any new info in this context. 

1 hour ago, Awalkinthelinkinpark said:

All these wild assumptions, just wait 4 more days ffs and Y'all see what you're chipping in. 

 

Personally and I'm interested. Someone should ask after album launch what nocturnal and serpent is really. 

 

And to be honest people wanting a joke song as a holy grail.... My god. 

 

Oh yeah before forget to mention, someone should definitely get the stems from Meteora and apply them to the demo songs, for example easier to run. It's edgy but good, I'll never understand why hit the floor and nobody's listening got the privilege to be on the album. 

 

Yeah Meteora is a meh record, somewhere I belong, Faint, breaking the habit were all solid songs, the rest is just to appease the fans and is a continuation of what they did. I'll never understand why they dropped off healing foot. 

It's almost like this is a fan site where people discuss the band, and part of the discussion of said band is unreleased music, and Meteora is the current topic considering they're releasing a boxset. As for people wanting a joke song, get over yourself and let other people enjoy things without you whining.

16 minutes ago, FigurePlaster92 said:

The Pictureboard Chester's version wasn't from 1999?

 

 

Chester's Pictureboard that was on HT20 was the Xero instrumental from 1998 with Chester's vocals recorded in 1999 so it is from 1999, what they are referring to is the version they recorded for the actual Hybrid Theory album in 2000 according to Jeff Blue. They also recorded drums at least for Slip, Stick N Move, and And One during the Hybrid Theory sessions. 

31 minutes ago, letdownagain said:

I find it encouraging that it’s a real song, because there’s a chance those Wizard Song vocals could be in the session files somewhere. Chester’s vocals are very obviously double tracked, so they did at *some point* commit vocals to hard drive, despite what Mike has said. I mean, they couldn’t remember “Lost” or the “Fighting Myself” chorus.

 

Team “QR code is the Wizard Song” over here.

Maybe, and they absolutely did record something on the Wizard Song considering there's harmonies on the "Send me your power" section, but it was probably never bounced down from Pro Tools.