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Yeah in terms of partying rockstar life, I kind of agree. But the band are still rockstars in a sense. Mike did party a little actually during the Fort Minor days he said. Not like Chester (I don’t think at least) but he did drink sometimes and (please no one kill me for this) I swear on the Fort Minor Militia DVD on Making Of Petrified he did cocaine because he wiped his nose and was like ‘’that’s some good shit baby!’’ when they were all partying around the bonfire in the middle of the night. But I could be 100% wrong on that and probably am. But I know the S.O.B. guys were huge partiers, they’ve said so. I also think Rob battled addiction in his teen years or maybe early 20’s. But I guess he got clean from that has been clean ever since. Hope he is ok nowadays and never got back into anything after Chester passed. As far as other dudes in the band I don’t think any of them really party at all. I know Phoenix drinks beer but that isn’t really partying in the way of like Chester.

Yeah I agree. Chester definitely struggled with addiction and stuff but the band was always a solid unit. Chester also was never really an asshole like a lot of other frontman. Yeah he battled addiction but he never really made LP look bad with it or took it out on the band and stuff. Chester always had his party friends (Orgy guys, Church, Rene Mata and more). Rene actually just posted a pretty funny story of them partying on the Grey Daze YouTube. But yeah.

This is coming from a HUGE fan of DBS, not to sound cocky but maybe the biggest DBS fan in the world or one of them. But honestly, I didn’t really dig their ‘’live sound’’. Anyone else feel this way looking back? I love the demos we got and I do actually love the album even though a lot of fans didn’t. But when they started playing live as a band in 2009 it just never sounded quite right to me. I went to 2 of their shows, NYC and Ulalume Festival in 2009 and they were both fun don’t get me wrong but they weren’t amazing sounding. It’s weird because I love the live Let Down from 2005. But don’t really dig the live Let Down from 2009-2011, even the acoustic ones, they just don’t sound as good. I also loved Walking In Circles from the 2008 set, it sounded so much different when played live in the years after, same as My Suffering which I know they changed quite a bit but still. Even Morning After, listen to like the 2006 Bucket of Weenies performance for example, sounds different and not just because it was played slightly different but just the sound overall. Maybe it was the addition of all the Julien-K guys but then again why did the 2008 set sound so good to me? Idk. There was never really any great banter or anything either at DBS shows. I don’t want to say Chester didn’t seem like he was having fun but sometimes I got that vibe. Even with the STP shows he looked like he was having way more fun. And the Camp Freddy shows from 2006 on he always looked like he was having an absolute blast maybe even more than all other side projects. Bucket of Weenies too which of course he was hammered but still. Then in 2010 Chester tweeted about how the album didn’t sell well and how the label didn’t help promote it and it bummed him out and he was even asking if they made a good record or not. I felt bad. IMO it was never the record that was bad. I think it’s fantastic. The promotion though was handled very badly. Barely promoted at all and the band didn’t even have a proper website or anything. The merch was kind of crappy too, anyone remember it? I never bought any of the official merch cuz I just didn’t like the way it looked and it was the same price as LP merch which I bought instead back then. I also was reading some of Church’s old posts on Facebook (one of Chester’s best friends) and it seemed like DBS was supposed to have a U.S. tour in the summer of 2010 or maybe late spring but the label wouldn’t fund it? Interesting. I just wish Chester didn’t think it was the music that was bad and he knew that it was just the label and shit. Chester was hard on himself sometimes. But I’m getting off topic. I’ve seen Ryan say the live sound of the band was better I just disagree as a fan. What do you guys think? Ultimately my opinion on DBS after all these years of being obsessed is that I just wish they had released the album in 2005 and did a small tour like Mike did with Fort Minor in the states in 2006, etc. They could of basically done them at the same time. I feel like the original DBS stuff before they wrote more songs in 2008 and changed stuff was a lot better and more raw not just in sound but the emotion DBS meant to have. Like I said I still love Out Of Ashes but yeah I feel like it was just too past it’s time by the time they released it, it feels like a 2005 era album to me. Both the original Fort Minor stuff and Dead By Sunrise are prior to Minutes To Midnight for me in my mind, even the Mike and Chester have said in interviews that the reason they made those albums were because they felt like at the time they wouldn’t fit with LP and that after writing MTM they felt like they could write that kind of music for LP now.

So one thing that annoyed me about the Howard Stern interview with Mike from a few months ago and it was that he painted Chester as some kind of problem for the band. Luckily, Mike said that it never was and it it ever was it was very early on like in 2000. Mike also said he never wanted to be that guy to pressure him about quitting his drug abuse, etc. Which is very smart because it often makes it worse for the other person. Anyways, I found a great interview from the Minutes to Midnight era the other day and it made me tear up. I haven’t seen it posted anywhere before. But it’s Chester talking about the 2005-2006 years and how his LP brothers were there for him. So take that Tobi, Sam, etc. I am trying to find a way to post the photo of it but even still it’s just a text interview but I know it’s real. Chester and LP’s brotherhood was real. ‘’For a number of years before the marriage split up there were times when it wasn’t good. ‘’It could be very difficult, but it never became an issue with the band. They never said ‘’your fucking personal life is getting too much for us to take, you need to knock that shit off.’’ ’’There was a lot of respect and understanding. I definitely needed those guys to help me get though that time and I can’t thank them enough for being so supportive of me’’. https://www.mediafire.com/view/eur0r2c7sln48x8/1A9BECE4-57B2-4DD5-8822-A4D928945AF0.jpeg/file

Was there ever truly an official answer as to why we never got them? In 2010 I think it was we got the Australia/NZ 2007 ones that previously we didn’t get. I’m betting they did record all those shows as DSP’s or at least the non huge mainstream festival ones and they probably forgot to give us them or something. I don’t think it was an issue with the venues, how could it have been? The band released shows like Athens 2009 as a DSP so why not the much better Athens 2008 one? There were some many iconic shows on that tour. Cool places like Dublin, Greece for the first time, Finland, tons of awesome places. Maybe now that it’s 2023 and Chester has long passed we can get these? Maybe Pooch or Dylan still have them? Only us here on LPLive will care about these DSP’s just like how the mainstream never did either.

Since we got mmm…cookies for LPU8 and it was the first time the band ever did something like that, what do you think the original tracklisting for LPU8 would have been? Btw I love mmm…cookies I just had some ideas the other night about this. I found it weird there were random tracks released throughout 2009-2010. Brad’s Yo is one, pretty random to give us through Monster Energy’s website, no? Maybe they were going to include it on the LPU8 CD since they liked to have an instrumental open them. They clearly liked the song since they released it for Monster and then again to open LPU11. Just weird that specific MTM demo was floating around in the band’s mind in early 2009, I bet it was gonna be on there. Blackbirds, at the time of fall 2008, many people on the LPU forums and LPL and LPA forums were saying we wanted the ‘’6th string song’’. Nowadays you never hear of this but at that time it was everywhere, it was in like every thread. Well isn’t it weird they gave us this one for beating 8 Bit Rebellion? We knew they were working on a video game album type thing in late 2008 and into 2009 and then in 2009 they abandoned it and started working on 8-Bit Rebellion as show on LPTV they were working on it on tour in 2009 and even into 2010. Basically for a few years. Maybe they were gonna give us Blackbirds the 6th string song for LPU8 but they didn’t so they gave it to us for beating that game, it was all in the same time frame, seems random to me. Then we have Songs from the Underground which I think contains scrapped LPU8 tracks for sure. Hunger Strike and Crawling was a bonus track with Chris. Fully mixed and ready to go. Proper fade outs, etc. Random to have them on that little weird CD right? Probably were supposed to be the live tracks on LPU8. They also had a random My December piano version from a 2008 show fully mixed with proper faded putto and everything on there too, probably was on the CD I bet. Last track, Mike’s remix of LOATR. Just appeared randomly on a LOATR single but only in Japan. I feel like this was totally for LPU8 but since it was scrapped he put it on there. It seems like a total LPU song to me and it’s never been released again anywhere ever since then. And once again this was all the same time period. IMHO I think LPU 8 was originally 01. Yo 02. Blackbirds 03. Crawling (Live) 04. Hunger Strike (Live) 05. My December (Live) 06. Leave Out All The Rest (Remix)

I think we are safe as far as getting MTM and ATS sets. The band loves both albums and they were popular (not as popular as HT and M, but still popular). They also aren’t THAT far away from their 20th, I mean yeah it’s still 4 and 7 years away for them but I feel like the other ones are just super far away and who even knows what the world will be like then. You know? However I do think they will end up doing them for all albums, but definitely for MTM and ATS. As a matter of fact, Brad was recently asked about the MTM re-issue going on Spotify last year for the 15th anniversary and he said he doesn’t really consider that a true celebration, basically saying when MTM is 20 in a few years we will get a true anniversary collection for it. Plus Brad loves MTM a lot if you listen to him talk about the album even years after it came out, same as Phoenix, Phoenix even said it was on one of the most special times for the band a few years ago, same with Mike. Mike said ATS would have never happened if not for MTM before it so it’s clear the band loves both albums. And Mike said on Twitch in 2020 he wanted to do one for ATS personally. No way they skip MTM or ATS. Fans of later albums, maybe have to worry, but I still think they’ll do ones for those albums and if not at least somehow give us content from those eras.

Here is a thread we can discuss what would maybe be on ATS 20 in 2030 when the time comes. Mike has said he would love to do a box set for ATS personally. It’s also one of the fanbase’s favorite albums. CD’s CD 1: The main album. Original mix is solid as is, not that they would want to remix the album anyways since they didn’t for HT or Meteora 20. CD 2: Live In Madrid. They released the mp3 of this show for us as a bonus on the ATS+ DVD when you popped into your computer. The band loved this show, so why not give us it in full audio here? Good one to pick. CD 3: Live In Red Square. The band gave us the full audio after we completed the Iridescent trading card game thing in 2011. The show was never released as a DSP but it’s basically a DSP they gave us. Once again, the band loved this show, so why not give us it in full audio here? Can even be a slightly different mix than what they gave us with the audio release in 2011. CD 4: LPU Rarities. I’m going to list them in order that they came out originally just to keep track but they will alter the track listing like they did for past ones. 01. I Have Not Begun (Unreleased Demo 2009) 02. Robot Boy (Test Mix, Optional Vocal Take) 03. Primo (I’ll Be Gone - Longform 2010 Demo) 04. Aubrey One (2009 Demo) 05. Malathion + Tritonus (2008 Berlin Demo) 06. Berlin One, Version C (2009 Demo) 07. Blanka (2008 Demo) 08. Dave Sbeat (Feat. Joe) (2009) 09. Froctagon (2009 Demo) 10. Basil (2008 Demo) 11. TooLeGit (2010 Demo) 12. Grudgematch (2009 Demo) 13. The Catalyst (2010 Demo) 14. Consequence A (2010 Demo) 15. Consequence B (2010 Demo) 16. Lies Greed Misery (2010 Demo) 17. Symphonies Of Light (2010 Demo) CD 5: B-Side Rarities. The band will change the tracklisting order once again. I didn’t include every ATS remix but I did include the ones officially released. I don’t consider KickDrums or Dave Dresden’s WFTE remixes as officially released by the band. Same as SDC’s Robot Boy obviously, and a few of The Catalyst winners that weren’t on the EP I didn’t include because I don’t think the band would either. I was going to include Renholder’s Blackout remix but since he released that on Underworld idk if LP have the rights to put it on here, if they do, put it on here too. I also didn’t include the iTunes Fest tracks from the BID single because they will include that on LT20 like they did with the PR02 tracks from the SIB single on Meteora 20. I did put the iTunes Festival London EP on here though because we need it and Rolling In The Deep was a digital single. 01. New Divide (Live) (From The Catalyst Single) 02. Waiting For The End (Glitch Mob Remix) (From Waiting For The End Single) 03. The Catalyst (‘’Guitarmagedon’’ DIOYY? Remix) (From Waiting For The End Single) 04. Blackout (RAC Remix) (From Promo CD) 05. When They Come For Me (Diplo Remix) (From DJ Hero 2) 06. Blackout (Live) (From Burning In The Skies Single) 07. When They Come For Me (Live) (From Burning In The Skies Single) 08. New Divide (From Iridescent Single) (This way we can get New Divide studio version of ATS20) 09. Iridescent (Energy Up Version) (From Iridescent Single) 10. Iridescent (Live) (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 11. Waiting For The End (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 12. Rolling In The Deep (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 13. The Catalyst (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 14. Papercut (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 15. Bleed It Out (iTunes Festival: London 2011 EP) 16. Wretches (Remix) (From Apathy’s Lost And Found) 17. The Catalyst (NoBraiN Remix) (From ATS) 18. The Catalyst (King Fantastic Remix) (From The Catalyst EP) 19. The Catalyst (DJ Endorphin Remix) (From The Catalyst EP) 20. The Catalyst (Cale Pellick Remix) (From The Catalyst EP) CD 6: ‘’Lost Demos’’. This could be whatever they want to give us in terms of ATS demos we don’t have. Infinite ideas. I would want for sure the LeftRight version with Chester shown on the Making Of, Chicken Basket, the demo shown during LPTV of Blackout with Chaz’s original verse, The Messenger with the English Country Pub shown during LPUTV, I would want maybe Chester singing BITS in full, who knows. And of course there are probably 1 or 2 songs that were fully done that were cut from ATS so those and other demos. Maybe Bruiser too. DVD’s DVD 1: Meeting Of A Thousand Suns. The making of. DVD 2: LPTV footage of the band writing the album in 2009-2010. There is so much and so many funny moments and cool moments, etc. Include all that LPTV and LPUTV type stuff from the time period and maybe some new stuff like they did with Work In Progress. Could be an hour long DVD. Also make it full color not the black and white filter they used for ATS LPTV and LPUTV. DVD 3: NYC 2010. Here me out here. This was the first real ATS show and it was awesome. I was there. Not just being biased though, the crowd blew up. Band had great energy. LPLive recently put up higher quality videos from the show and they look good. They have the full show so give us it in full DVD. Also the debut of a lot of ATS songs (and really Kevin and Bean wasn’t a true show debut IMO so those songs too). Since they can fit two shows on 1 DVD as we’ve seen with Meteora 20, how about another 2010 show from Europe. What’s a good one? Berlin? That one works. Maybe Tel Aviv if not. DVD 4: MSG 2011. Over the years many fans have come to love this show and consider it as like ‘’the RAR04’’ of the ATS era. And we know it was filmed in great quality for TV, etc. Put this bad boy on there in full. Plus it’s the main US tour for the album so it’s a good show to release in that respect too. Since they can fit two shows like we saw on Meteora 20 on a DVD, how about PR11? What was the biggest one? Hamburg? One of those shows. And if they want to do one last show, something from the Asian 2011 tour, Jakarta looked badass on LPTV, how about that one? Vinyls Main album Madrid or Red Square? Artbook This could build on the original ATS deluxe art book from 2010. Just all the great ATS art that they had as well as photoshoots of the band, I’d love to get one when the band was on the beach in 2010, or the epic group photo with all the infra red lasers pointed on them. All that stuff. Also maybe a poster of something.

Can someone please make a list of ALL tracks not released with Hybrid Theory 20? I would like to make some CD’s to keep in my collection with all of these compiled together to give it a more complete feel. You can even include things such as the Deftest snippet and unknown song snippet, Visionaries and LP song, everything from the eras of 1996-2002 (just not meteora demos from 2002). This would be very much appreciated highly. Even things such as the Much Too easy clip. I mean it all