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On 3/1/2021 at 9:20 PM, YRQRM0 said:

Wastelands -> Until It's Gone. Neither are my fav song off THP, but that transition is absolute fire. 

 

 

💯 🔥 not to veer off into another topic discussion, but that’s actually probably one of Joe’s contributions to the album. It’s a very Joe-sounding percussion sample

On 3/1/2021 at 4:58 PM, bruh009 said:

List of LP songs that have scratch:

 

Hybrid Theory:

Papercut

One Step Closer

With You

Points Of Authority

Crawling

Runaway

By Myself

Forgotten

A Place For My Head

Cure For The Itch

 

Meteora

Dont Stay

Somewhere I Belong

Lying From You

Hit The Floor

Easier To Run

Figure.09

Breaking The Habit

From The Inside

Nobody's Listening

Session

Numb

 

Minutes To midnight

What I've Done

In Pieces

A Thousand Suns

When They Come For Me (burried in the mix)

Wretches And Kings

The Catalyst

 

Living Things

Lost In The Echo

 

Hunting Party

None

 

One More Light

None

 

Feel free to add something if i missed any song, but i think thats all of them

Wow! Perfect 👌 I didn’t even know there were scratches on WTCFM. Yes of course Hahn does other things besides scratch, and even incorporates the use of turntables without scratching (like the sounds on Valentines Day), but the point of this thread is scratching.

I actually haven’t had a chance to listen through all LPU CDs (and my intent wasn’t even to look before LPU 6 because I originally wanted to just do post-Meteora), but HT EP def has scratches as do others in the 1st 5 LPU CDs). I’m in the middle of LPU15 now and so far the only post-Meteora scratches from LPU CDs I recognize so far are:

1. Announcement Service Public (LPU 6)

2. Bunker (LPU 12)

also Not Alone of the first DTD album

Powerless and I’ll Be Gone would both be epic. Also why have they never performed with live strings? (Besides the Grammys or whenever Dave busted out a cello in the HT days)

My guess it was a typo by Dave when creating the file and they kept it lol

35 minutes ago, Justin said:

What album was he even referring to in this video? Was it THP?

Yeah that’s why his review of OML was particularly annoying, because everything he said he wanted out of OML, was what THP was, which he refused to listen to lol

That sounds good to me!

39 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

I want Joe sing a solo song on LP8 

what about LPU 14? 

1 hour ago, LPsMart said:

yeah of course he was involved in writing and stuff but most likely didn't perform, that's what's dissapointing

 

Brad not playing guitar is a whole different story - he is super involved in the process (as you can see e.g. in "the meeting of ATS" or "Brad says hello to mikeshinoda(dot)com", which is hilarious btw) - and you know he wrote Three Band Terror on his own, so there's a whole song he performed on his own on LT - even though the music itself on UIB was mike and brad for sure, he sang.

 

Lol CFTI and Session are super Mike-y, idk how ppl would think it's JH. With You for example has tons of scratching and isn't a JH song at all.

I appreciate you unpacking everything there cuz there was a lot and I didn’t know where to start lol I think we’re all on the same page. We know instrumentals aren’t all Joe. We know Brad loves to produce (at some points even more than guitar). We know different contributions can look and sound different than what a bandmate’s conventional role is. But all of that doesn’t mean that it’s wrong to have wanted more Joe on THP, and that his presence wasn’t extremely limited in terms of actual sounds made on the album lol

1 hour ago, JZ-AmendsStripped29 said:

About the participation of Joe.

Straight quote from Linkinpedia

 

"During the recording of THP and OML Hahn did a lot of scratching, he scratched his balls"

Lmao 😂 

13 hours ago, Hybrid1988 said:

lmao what did you do to get banned? Your shouts were hilarious. I never felt offended by anything you posted. 
 

As for the original topic, I was so hyped for THP since I mostly listen to hard rock and metal. I did notice at the time, the excitement wasn’t there for a lot of people. I think LP has a large amount of fans that aren’t really into heavy music and GATS probably wasn’t doing it for them. At least that’s what I observed with LP fans I know personally. I don’t think the marketing was in top form in that era, in terms of drawing in the casual listener. No huge radio hit or popular music video. I think they tried with Final Masquerade but for whatever reason, it didn’t land. Even KROQ never really played it. That was around the time they stopped heavily rotating new LP from what I noticed. 

💯 yeah in another thread someone reminded us Mike’s weird out-of-character messaging around the promo time which most definitely rubbed some folks the wrong way. One thing I also always thought was a mistake was the Radio Edit of GATS excluding Rakim. I love the song in it’s entirety, but 6 minutes is obv too long for radio, and if you were to cut anything for KROQ, I would have started with the extended intro/outro, not one of the greatest rap verses in rock history.

4 hours ago, LPsMart said:

I think everybody did great on that album - especially Rob had his time to shine, he's just an excellent drummer.
Brad did some sick soli, Chester brought back some amazing screaming, Mike showed off his singing ability once again on ALITS, and did major songwriting on the whole album.
Well and then there's the bassist and we don't need to talk about Joe on THP I guess, he didn't even direct any music video besides UIG.
I know people dislike the songs for their lyrics and I couldn't care less, 'cause musically it's still a wholesome album and I feel rather bad for people, that can't listen to it like that.

💯💯 i think Joe did some very minimal drum machine samples like at the end of KTTK and end of UIG, and i think the Summoning, but yeah his minimal presence was the one thing i coulda used more of, but was also used to it at that point

2 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

No i get the fact that THP is basically a tribute in sound to those band, it’s clear and I’m super fine with that, just the result is not very spontaneous IMO. But as someone already said, it’s my least fav LP record, meaning that it’s still strong For me  (like a 7.5/10 or somewhere around there, with songs i really love like FM, Rebellion, Wastelands, and songs that I don’t like that much) 😊

^ 💯 ^

9 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

About the lyrics, I love FM even imagery in the lyrics even tho the topic is something we got in 100000 other songs. About the collabs, I liked some of them but just didn’t get Page Hamilton when Mike could have easily done that part on his own with no difference. Rakim and Daron were cool. 

💯 💯 I thought Page’s voice was similar to Mike’s too lol AFN only makes total sense if you see it as LP’s nod to the New York Alt Metal scene of the 90s. Just like Tom, Rakim, & Daron, it sort of speaks to a “bucket list” of inspirations/collaborations they’ve probably always wanted to do, and it just like everything else in their catalogue, it’s def not for everyone which is okay

I’m a nerd and need closure lol

I only dug it up cuz I thought it would be poor form to create a new thread about a topic that already had a thread about it. I definitely respect where you’re both coming from though, and discussing it is a super fun distraction for me. Either way I understand how much or how little you wanna talk about it.

I agree that Rob, Brad, & Dave (particularly Brad) seemed to be resistant to learn half the songs live, which was def a disappointment to me too.

I can also see where Chester’s vocals can come off as “forced,” but the songs you mentioned were some of the only opportunities for him to let loose on that particular playing field in a long time, which was honestly just exciting for me. I think Chester was the one who even wrote the bulk of War but I could be wrong.

I can also see where Mike’s raps may come off as “generic” too, but it legitimately excited me to hear him spit some flavor you might hear on a Black Hippy mixtape over guitar-driven rock.

I think the lyrics piece is where we just simply disagree, which is fine. I was on board for the lines that were just braggadocios and fun on KTTK, and then was legitimately spoken to when it came to both the sociopolitical commentary of GATS, Rebellion, Wastelands etc., and the personal lyrics of FM, etc.

Also the collabs were extremely exciting for me as well. The only one I was underwhelmed by was Tom.

Finally I’m well aware of the taste diversity of the fanbase, but the one consistent criticism you would see since Meteora was a call for what THP ultimately was. That’s not to say even the majority of all groups from casual listeners to diehard fans hadn’t moved on from that, it just never went away, and that’s where I saw the irony

I couldn’t find the official THP discussion (if there even is one), and what I wanted to say is too long for the chat lol:

I hear this (THP was boring, etc.) from diehard, casual, and non-fans alike and i just don’t understand it. I thought THP was near perfect (I actually only wished they included turntables), but beyond that the album was what everyone claimed they wanted—a return to form with another 10 years of technical, musical, and lyrical prowess to elevate the sound. To me it’s some of Mike’s best rapping, some of Chester’s best screaming, and easily Brad’s best guitar playing, Rob’s besr drumming, and Dave's best bass playing. The lyrical content was a powerful blend of personal and political, and spoke to me on virtually every track. The only “disappointment” was Drawbar because of my really high expectations, and get where ppl would find that “boring”

6 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

10/10 to the song ? 

Yes sir

Good find with that press article! I just wanna add that the more I listen to it the more i like it. First of all, it’s incredibly bittersweet that that theme seems to be an exploration of cognitive processing during a time of so much turmoil at the macro level, and the conclusion of that processing is to simply just imagine that you’re saving the day because every other tangible option is out of your control.

“If I’m pretending, why not write happy endings?” That’s super deep for pop, which is consistently Mike.

Second, having Iann Dior do Mike’s doubles and ad-libs during Mike’s verses is a really fun stylistic choice and just speaks to how he continues to be one of our generations best collaborators. I can go on and on. There’s so many choices made in the music that sound to me like they were made simply out of love for the song itself, and it’s also cool to make out the Samantha Ronson influence in there as well. I give it 10/10 but I’m biased

1 hour ago, Stranger said:

 

haaa, surprisingly, i love the first half of THP. From KTTK up to Rebellion. ALITS is fking beast IMO. Rock is dying. they did the album the justice. but wrong time. 2014 is not rock season for mainstream music. Mike's rapping in THP is fkin dope. still remember listening to KTTK & AFN at the listening party for the first time ever, my jaw's drop. 😂 

i 100% agree with all of this. I loved the whole thing

3 minutes ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

Loved Wastelands live when I saw them in June ‘17, Chester was on fire during the bridge. 

💯 💯 💯 exactly it’s so powerful. That’s so cool you got to go. I had tickets for the original Bowl show with Snoop myself, and i just feel lucky we got 3 pro-shot concerts from the tour in Europe. I bought a DVD of the Werchter show from one of those concert DVD sites and remember I got chills during the Wastelands bridge, just watching on tv so I can only imagine 

I missed this conversation while it was actually happening but I just wanna echo what others have said and that the one thing I wish they included was Wastelands. We know they killed it in Belgium so it’s more than likely the one of SBDs of it at the England shows they ended up using for the album also sounds great. Also I absolutely loved the RTN/WFTE they did on the tour but if I’m not being greedy and just picking one to also include it would be Wastelands 

You guys bring up really good points. I totally forgot about all the weird messaging during THP promo, and that probably contributed to its lukewarm reception. LP still dealt w endless double standards, but they definitely played a role in the THP debacle which is unfortunate

Edit: GATS deserved better dammit! Rakim’s verse over the bands breakdown is simply music at its peak! 

1 minute ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

THIS. But when Foo Fighters drop 3 meh consecutive records those same people are like “ROCK LEGENDS 9/10, true masters” 

This made me lol 😂 I def agree with you, but i also let the “rock absolutists” have it. It’s important to remember a lot of the unfair criticism LP gets is just because of just how big they are. I could be totally wrong but last I checked it was hard to even name a band that comes close in terms of straight numbers for the past 20 years. Foo might be up there, as Maroon 5, Coldplay, and Panic probably are. But yeah LP def catches that LeBron James cuz-they’re-great hate and i gotta remind myself of that

11 minutes ago, Justin said:

Some people saw THP like "Lol these guys are in their late 30's trying to make music like they did in their early 20's", then heard OML and said "Why don't they make more music like HT and Meteora?!"

You just can't win with some people, and I think LP accepted that a while ago. 

💯💯💯

Actually one more thing: there’s an irony in that in THP was LP returning to “their roots” likely in part because there had been so much pressure for 10+ years at that point from “fans” and the public to do so, and then it basically flopped, whereas OML was LP trying something that was actually a new approach for them because they wanted to, and got accused of “selling out.” I remember feeling so frustrated for the band in May/June 2017 because of this, and it’s actually immediately where my mind went when I got the news in July 😔 

[rant] The thing that frustrated me most about his OML review was that he REFUSED to listen to THP 3 years earlier, and ALL he was saying LP should have been doing on OML (returning to roots but demonstrating lyrical/musical progress, etc) was EXACTLY what THP was. And he wasn’t the only one.

THP was a criminally unnoticed album, and OML made sense as a response in that context. What was shitty, was that Fantano (among many, many others) chose to ignore THP, and then took OML as an opportunity to dump on how LP “lost their way” or “sold out.” The “poppy” sound of OML is actually a progression when you look at in its proper context. Ppl just attracted to negativity ig [/rant]