Hahninator
Oct 10 2009, 04:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jH2sGkcKeIEDIT: Link fixed
Last night Dead By Sunrise played in Gelsenkirchen, Germany at the Veltins-Arena as a part of the Stock Car Crash Challenge. Check out the video, it seems the organizers had the band pull a "Top Of The Pops" and had Chester & Ryan sing over a backing instrumental of 'Crawl Back In'.
Interesting. I'm not insulting the band or anything (I have no idea if it was their decision or not), of course. To my knowledge, though, this is the first time any LP-related act has done this on a performance. First time for everything!
Thoughts? Hopefully we'll get an HD source / better source for it soon. I'll also update the Dead By Sunrise pages later today...
EDIT by LESTAT: People, read closely. Chester and Ryan sang live. It was not lip-syncing. The instruments were playback.
BlackChester
Oct 10 2009, 04:23 PM
yo mark.. the show is still on.. this wasn't last night

there is no HD.. pro7 is not aired in HD as far as I know
BUT all bands tonight did playback, DBS was the only with LIVE vocals!
the rest did full playback
Dirudown
Oct 10 2009, 04:23 PM
...:S
silent_control
Oct 10 2009, 04:25 PM
i failed on recording -.-
Felipeintheend
Oct 10 2009, 04:31 PM
Nice *_*
LESTAT
Oct 10 2009, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (BlackChester @ Oct 11 2009, 12:23 AM)

BUT all bands tonight did playback, DBS was the only with LIVE vocals!
the rest did full playback
Haha. Nice to hear.
Dr.Biggy
Oct 10 2009, 04:35 PM
pro7 doesn't air in hd....
luki9875
Oct 10 2009, 04:36 PM
great job chester.... at least one that can sing live... lol
Aiman
Oct 10 2009, 04:40 PM
That's never a smart move for a band to do. Let's just hope there was some hardcore editing done!
BlackChester
Oct 10 2009, 04:43 PM
I'm recording the show (still not done yet) I'll dl my recording tomorrow
cut it and upload it for you
LPxDC
Oct 10 2009, 05:14 PM
so what was the purpose of this event? I know Nickelback played as well and some other band... did DBS only play one song?
AlexonlyAlex
Oct 10 2009, 05:23 PM
wtf why are you all saying that Pro7 does not air in HD, all such tv total events are in HD, at least 720p. Like even all normal TV total episodes are in HD.
Astat
Oct 10 2009, 05:24 PM
QUOTE (Aiman @ Oct 10 2009, 05:40 PM)

That's never a smart move for a band to do. Let's just hope there was some hardcore editing done!
This happens FAR more frequently than you probably realize. Tons of bands use backing tracks for televised performances, sometimes fully lip-synced, sometimes with live vocals over a canned instrumental.
There are a variety of reasons that this can happen, sometimes the locations where televised performances are recorded aren't set up to handle a full live band setup (they don't have a large PA system/board that can handle very many inputs, stuff like that), sometimes the station just wants the band's performance to be better than usual (both by sounding better and the band being able to put more energy into their performance since they don't have to worry about playing their parts correctly - win/win situation for the TV station), and sometimes it's almost a form of censorship - they don't want a band to "sabatoge" the performance. Nirvana was notorious for doing this, when they played Top of the Pops, they were forced to play to a backing track, but Kurt convinced the station to let them do live vocals...and this was the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtehDIWrX5U
michaLPLP
Oct 10 2009, 05:28 PM
Its a stockcar crash challenge with "celebreties" of Germany

So they drive in a circle and crash each other for points and so on....its an event by one of the best moderators in Germany (Stefan Raab) and of course there are music acts there was DBS ...yes they did play ONE song...the video was uploaded sooo quick...the show ends in a few minutes I think...im still watching...nice work
Aiman
Oct 10 2009, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (Astat @ Oct 10 2009, 05:24 PM)

This happens FAR more frequently than you probably realize. Tons of bands use backing tracks for televised performances, sometimes fully lip-synced, sometimes with live vocals over a canned instrumental.
There are a variety of reasons that this can happen, sometimes the locations where televised performances are recorded aren't set up to handle a full live band setup (they don't have a large PA system/board that can handle very many inputs, stuff like that), sometimes the station just wants the band's performance to be better than usual (both by sounding better and the band being able to put more energy into their performance since they don't have to worry about playing their parts correctly - win/win situation for the TV station), and sometimes it's almost a form of censorship - they don't want a band to "sabatoge" the performance. Nirvana was notorious for doing this, when they played Top of the Pops, they were forced to play to a backing track, but Kurt convinced the station to let them do live vocals...and this was the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtehDIWrX5UI know how often that happens thank you. I've already seen that Nirvana video... saw it years ago. I stand by my statement. It's never a smart move for a band to do. I don't understand how that translates to "Hmm... that doesn't happen very often."
PizzaPino
Oct 10 2009, 05:39 PM
Astat
Oct 10 2009, 06:05 PM
QUOTE (Aiman @ Oct 10 2009, 06:29 PM)

I know how often that happens thank you. I've already seen that Nirvana video... saw it years ago. I stand by my statement. It's never a smart move for a band to do. I don't understand how that translates to "Hmm... that doesn't happen very often."
Why is it "not a smart move" if it's something so commonplace that virtually every band that's ever been big enough to be on a televised performance in the first place has done it at some point? It's no worse than fixing mistakes in the DSPs, really.
BadyBoy
Oct 10 2009, 06:26 PM
I'm not sure if i'm allowed to put a download link here so if you wanna have the link just PM me or give me the permission to put it here
Greetz
Edit:
Got the permission... here it is
*click* have fun
Hahninator
Oct 10 2009, 06:37 PM
You can put a download link

Sure, no problem.
NoSunToday
Oct 10 2009, 06:44 PM
I just came back from the event and I guess their amp's couldn't make a good sound for this huge arena. I just saw the guys didn't even have their pedals and noone tuned the guitars on stage. They just checked the microphone.
The other acts had instrumentals as well, therefore I think it wasn't their decision.
ah, and I don't know how the tv recording is yet, but the vocals were awful in the arena. Ryans background vox was way too loud... I'll watch what you saw tomorrow... Going to bed now, as it's 1.45 AM in Germany right now.
I think I could have found a better way to spend my money...
Aiman
Oct 10 2009, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (Astat @ Oct 10 2009, 06:05 PM)

Why is it "not a smart move" if it's something so commonplace that virtually every band that's ever been big enough to be on a televised performance in the first place has done it at some point? It's no worse than fixing mistakes in the DSPs, really.
Because they're standing there jamming on their instruments like something's actually happening. They're basically acting. On the DSPs, yes they did edit them and correct them to make them sound better but at least they had the decency to actually perform instead of act like they're filming a music video.
Slim Shinoda
Oct 10 2009, 07:13 PM
MrInfluXion
Oct 10 2009, 07:36 PM
Shit well thats just rediculous...
Hahninator
Oct 10 2009, 08:17 PM
QUOTE (Aiman @ Oct 10 2009, 06:46 PM)

Because they're standing there jamming on their instruments like something's actually happening. They're basically acting. On the DSPs, yes they did edit them and correct them to make them sound better but at least they had the decency to actually perform instead of act like they're filming a music video.
Absolutely agree. It's acting. It's fake. It's not really happening.
pianolp325
Oct 10 2009, 09:19 PM
Its not that its not a smart move and i can understand why they do it. I have friends who say they would rather listen to the polished album version then have a band mess around with their song on stage. and the live sound is raw and rough and many people dont like it. and mass media wants everything nice and clean. it just takes away from the actual "performance aspect that we love" which sux.
Astat
Oct 10 2009, 09:20 PM
QUOTE (Aiman @ Oct 10 2009, 07:46 PM)

Because they're standing there jamming on their instruments like something's actually happening. They're basically acting. On the DSPs, yes they did edit them and correct them to make them sound better but at least they had the decency to actually perform instead of act like they're filming a music video.
You say that like it was their decision. It most clearly was not, and almost never is in these kind of situations. They probably had a choice of playing to a backing track, or not playing at all.
franticfreak
Oct 10 2009, 09:23 PM
1. Pro7 does NOT air in HD, no German Private chanel do.
2.
Venom Record the track in HQ
http://rapidshare.com/files/291288023/DBS_...Pro7_.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/291291665/DBS_...Pro7_.part2.rarPW: by_venom
this video is SYNC, not like the youtube one

p.s Nickelback didnt sing playback, just the poor german band called "PUR" did.
Aiman
Oct 10 2009, 09:36 PM
QUOTE (Astat @ Oct 10 2009, 09:20 PM)

You say that like it was their decision. It most clearly was not, and almost never is in these kind of situations. They probably had a choice of playing to a backing track, or not playing at all.
The latter would have been the more respectful thing to do IMO.
wiiesel
Oct 10 2009, 10:03 PM
It wasn't DBS's decision. Every band which ever played at this show (one show every year) had playback!
Xero21
Oct 10 2009, 10:04 PM
QUOTE (Aiman @ Oct 10 2009, 10:36 PM)

The latter would have been the more respectful thing to do IMO.
Not necessarily. If they hadn't been informed of what they'd have to do before hand, then maybe they just didn't want to disappoint the fans that had paid to see them perform by backing out, as it was only one song anyway. If that's the case then great move by DBS.
I dislike the fact that they used a backing track but it was just for this event so it doesn't really matter.
neil
Oct 10 2009, 10:20 PM
QUOTE (PizzaPino @ Oct 10 2009, 06:39 PM)

Nono,
THIS is what happens when you do it to Muse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2qKraB1lQ
LPxDC
Oct 10 2009, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (neil @ Oct 10 2009, 11:20 PM)

Nono,
THIS is what happens when you do it to Muse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2qKraB1lQlmfao i saw that when it came out! Idk the idea of DBS doing this kinda bothers me. But i did like the camerawork in this video. Looked cool!
spraypaintninkpens
Oct 11 2009, 12:27 AM
so they just lip synced a performance?That's pretty lame of chester to go through with that.
NoSunToday
Oct 11 2009, 12:51 AM
I wouldn't blame them for performing that song there half-playbacked.
I mean, there were 45000 people in the arena, more than 5million watched the show. It would habe been very stupid not to play this show after getting to know that there will be a playback. How would it have looked like if they hadn't been on stage after all? That's promotion and that's how the music business works. I don't like bands doing that, but at least the vocals were not playbacked.
Furthermore, there were people only because of dbs (including me) and we would have been very disappointed (well, I was due to the playback, but okay...) I also guess not all of them realized what happened yesterday as the guys were better in acting than "Pur", it just looked more than funny.
Oh, and one last thing: You won't cancel a show hosted by Stefan Raab in Germany...He's just too famous. I already gave the numbers. I believe it's an honor for music acts to be chosen to perform there. CBI even was the title song they always played in ads for the show. You cannot do better promotion...
edit: I forgot: It would have been really expensive for dbs to come there and say: nope, we won't play...
LESTAT
Oct 11 2009, 01:02 AM
QUOTE (spraypaintninkpens @ Oct 11 2009, 08:27 AM)

so they just lip synced a performance?That's pretty lame of chester to go through with that.
Check out the video, it seems the organizers had the band pull a "Top Of The Pops" and had Chester & Ryan sing over a backing instrumental of 'Crawl Back In'.Chester and Ryan sang LIVE.
MikeF
Oct 11 2009, 02:01 AM
QUOTE (franticfreak @ Oct 10 2009, 09:23 PM)

1. Pro7 does NOT air in HD, no German Private chanel do.
2.
Venom Record the track in HQ
http://rapidshare.com/files/291288023/DBS_...Pro7_.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/291291665/DBS_...Pro7_.part2.rarPW: by_venom
this video is SYNC, not like the youtube one

p.s Nickelback didnt sing playback, just the poor german band called "PUR" did.
And can another fayloobmennik upload?
deko_lp
Oct 11 2009, 03:59 AM
Hey guys,
i was there yesterday,... at the moment iīm uploading Crawl back In !
i also have some videos from BEFOR and AFTER the song !
here is a picture

befor the act the guys from DBS were watching "Raab in Gefahr bim Kunstflug" -> FUN xD
been stretched !
check out the videos under
www.youtube.com/deko2603
soon !
Jani
Oct 11 2009, 04:54 AM
I remember Chester once saying in an interview that "I might not always be on key, but I will never do a lip sync-performance."
NoSunToday
Oct 11 2009, 05:09 AM
QUOTE (Jani @ Oct 11 2009, 11:54 AM)

I remember Chester once saying in an interview that "I might not always be on key, but I will never do a lip sync-performance."
They actually SANG live....
linkinpark92
Oct 11 2009, 05:15 AM
deko_lp
Oct 11 2009, 05:22 AM
i was there,... it was LIVE !!
watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbfEYltq8kIyou can hear ryan sing as loud as chaz
LESTAT
Oct 11 2009, 05:55 AM
Edited first post:
People, read closely. Chester and Ryan sang live. It was not lip-syncing. The instruments were playback.
Jani
Oct 11 2009, 06:57 AM
QUOTE (NoSunToday @ Oct 11 2009, 01:09 PM)

They actually SANG live....
That's what i mean, I know they did.
franticfreak
Oct 11 2009, 07:57 AM
Just for info to the news poster
the video is NOT HD....PRO7 does NOT air in HD quality, who ever upload the video on youtube have no idea whats the diffrent between HD and HQ....
Best quality you can get is uploaded on rapidshare here on page 2
Record via satelite reciver.
LESTAT
Oct 11 2009, 08:32 AM
QUOTE (franticfreak @ Oct 11 2009, 03:57 PM)

Just for info to the news poster
the video is NOT HD....PRO7 does NOT air in HD quality, who ever upload the video on youtube have no idea whats the diffrent between HD and HQ....
Best quality you can get is uploaded on rapidshare here on page 2
Record via satelite reciver.
fixed
Jack
Oct 11 2009, 08:52 AM
I actually find it pretty cool that this happened.
Edit: Download Audio
Here.I edited the beginning to get rid of the cheering.
Jack
Oct 11 2009, 08:56 AM
QUOTE (LESTAT @ Oct 11 2009, 09:32 AM)

fixed
Fixed as in removed the link? Mark said links are allowed.
murphyLP
Oct 11 2009, 09:27 AM
I think people seems to care less because it isnīt Linkin Park.
If was Linkin Park I have no doubt that everyone was going to criticize.
I donīt like the idea of playback instrumentals or the actually singing part.
They donīt need to playback anything IMO
By the way...Ryan is horrible singing!!!
deko_lp
Oct 11 2009, 10:10 AM
ryans microfone had wrong settings, it was too loud
videos from BEFORE and AFTER the act you can watch
herechaz @ "warum up" ... DBS watching "Raab in Gefahr" ...
FCastro
Oct 11 2009, 11:09 AM
Nothing to say about it...
but I've got a question: why do the bands used playback?
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