New Album Update : Five Finished Songs Options

[JanekZech]

Going back to the topic I have to say that I'm happy to see an acoustic guitar in the studio!

[heartless_wind13]

sick news!

[eyesburning]

Actually I don't really expect the new album to come out before 2011 xD
In fact I think that "shorter" songs fit more to LP's sound than 4-5 Minutes songs.

[Katy Perry]

dbs is only delaying lp new album, and if i were chester, i would focus only in lp album

[spraypaintninkpe...]

I don't really understand why everyone complains and complains that Lp "takes too long" to put out a record. Its not like the music world stops because they don't put out new stuff..

Take the time to look at other bands, different genres.. Have a wide taste in music, don't be the "ZOMG, LP IZ THE ONLY BAND THTA EXSISTS!!!!11" guy... There are countless numbers of musicians out there that put out incredible music all the time, and yes, most of them put it out quicker than LP. Most of the time, if there isnt any new music from LP coming out, I listen to various other artists that have incredible music, like: Paramore, 10 Years, Tool, John Mayer, Dave Matthews Band, T.I., Adelitas Way, Timbaland, Justin Timberlake (don't hate, he's more of a musical master than you are), Shinedown, Slipknot, Colbie Caillat, Serj Tankian, 3DG, Jason Mraz, Eminem, Jay-Z, Creed, DBS, Atreyu, August Burns Red, Buckcherry, etc...

What I'm trying to say is, broaden your horizons, listen to other people, so that when LP does release something new, you appreciate it that much more. If you like rap, go listen to some new and upcoming MC, go back and listen to the originators and see where everyone is coming from.. If you like rock, same thing, look for some new artist that is gaining popularity, like Adelitas Way or 10 Years, or go back to the 50's, 60's and 70's to see who these guys are listening to to get inspired, just don't fall into the LP is God rut and miss out on all this awesome music...

Most of us like a wide variety of music but lp tends to be our favorite hence us wanting them to release albums more frequently than every 3-4 years. Some of us realize the wasted potential here as they get older, they will not sound as good, ie chesters voice.

The perfectionist label they have has to be lifted, with all of the material they write, there's no reason that every 2 years we should have a 15 song cd.

Mike wrote lockjaw in one day and it's amazing, I think they just tend to over analyze stuff.

[Trumtram]

LP always goes over their songs over and over again and changes them to be "perfect". If people keep saying "Hurry up, you guys are taking too long!" Then they're not going to work the same, but faster, they're going to do a half-assed job of rushing something together without even thinking about it.

If you've ever written an essay, which I'm sure you have, you may have noticed that the final draft is much better than the rough draft. The reason for this is because after completing the rough draft, you've looked over it and thought hard on how to improve it and how to make it "perfect". A lot of times, it can take a lot of time and patience.

songs have to be "perfect" to be great. so what is perfect? is it perfect when a song gets so much work done that it sounds dead? or is it perfect if you get the song the way it FEELS perfect?
you can write the greatest songs of all time in one day, yes you heard me. while searching for the so called "perfection" you will rewrite that song and this way its dozen of forms that would've have been as good as the final product if not better.
redoing everything is no guarentee to make a song better, that's a fact. you, as an artist, might like it better and that's all that counts in the end, sure. but, to repeat myself:
there is NO connection of the time you need to make an album and it's final "quality", ABSOLUTELY NO! you can sit down for an hour and write a song, listen to it and like it, maybe work a bit on it and absolutely love it. when you listen to it again, you might see that EVERY change you do (even replaying the riff because you made a MISTAKE) will kill the feel of the song.

linkin park rewrote "somewhere i belong" endless times, and even though we don't know the older versions, there is almost no way of them being any worse.
linkin park's rob bordon rehearsed the drum's for "the little things give you away" countless hours and they kept the demo drums. again, we don't know how the final song would sound if they've used the rerecorded version, but in the lp community this song is widely known as one of linkin park's absolutely best songs.

if every artist would use the definition of perfection in the sense of making it SOUND perfect, than there wouldn't be many many many too many amazing songs, classics.
a song has to FEEL perfect and therefore you don't have to rewrite it all the time. just making it SOUND better will never make it any more perfect. think about it.

This post has been edited by Trumtram: Nov 16 2009, 06:18 PM

[Aiman]

songs have to be "perfect" to be great. so what is perfect? is it perfect when a song gets so much work done that it sounds dead? or is it perfect if you get the song the way it FEELS perfect?
you can write the greatest songs of all time in one day, yes you heard me. while searching for the so called "perfection" you will rewrite that song and this way its dozen of forms that would've have been as good as the final product if not better.
redoing everything is no guarentee to make a song better, that's a fact. you, as an artist, might like it better and that's all that counts in the end, sure. but, to repeat myself:
there is NO connection of the time you need to make an album and it's final "quality", ABSOLUTELY NO! you can sit down for an hour and write a song, listen to it and like it, maybe work a bit on it and absolutely love it. when you listen to it again, you might see that EVERY change you do (even replaying the riff because you made a MISTAKE) will kill the feel of the song.

linkin park rewrote "somewhere i belong" endless times, and even though we don't know the older versions, there is almost no way of them being any worse.
linkin park's rob bordon rehearsed the drum's for "the little things give you away" countless hours and they kept the demo drums. again, we don't know how the final song would sound if they've used the rerecorded version, but in the lp community this song is widely known as one of linkin park's absolutely best songs.

if every artist would use the definition of perfection in the sense of making it SOUND perfect, than there wouldn't be many many many too many amazing songs, classics.
a song has to FEEL perfect and therefore you don't have to rewrite it all the time. just making it SOUND better will never make it any more perfect. think about it.

You made some great points, but that still doesn't change how LP works in the studio. The point of my post was to try to explain their way of writing songs. Another example would be comparing Untitled to In the End. I've heard many people say they felt the lyrics to Untitled were better; I agree on that point.

[OZZY]

Bottom line, FAIL on LP's behalf. I just had a thought. I'd wait another year, but then i'd expect a double album release from them. Similar to Nelly's Sweat/Suit in 2004.

[LPxDC]

Bottom line, FAIL on LP's behalf. I just had a thought. I'd wait another year, but then i'd expect a double album release from them. Similar to Nelly's Sweat/Suit in 2004.

for shame you comparing LP to Nelly
*shaking my head

honestly im not dying or in the ER for a new LP album if it drops tomorrow it drops tomorrow if it drops in the summer it drops in the summer. This is why you get other favorite bands to focus on haha

[Katy Perry]

i wish lp do not release an only 8 track album, like some artists are doing now (read lady gaga (the original) and justin bieber)

[shabanini]

i will wait as long as it takes, but i really hope it won't suck like MTM. if they have so much material, i guess we should expect some b-sides or something. i really tried listening to some other bands, and i can't find but few songs that i can listen to. lp is by far the only band i can listen to and enjoy every song from (excluding MTM), so does that make me hardcore lp fan, can someone then take my opinion serious when i say mtm sucks compared to previous releases? i think so.
there is LPU9 which i look forward to, it will consume some of the new album waiting time, and maybe i'll like new deftones album, maybe i'll get to like some other band too, but i certainly hope this waiting time will pass quickly, and that it will be worth it (unlike mtm ).

lp guys are perfectionists and lately they seem distracted (unlike during HT and Meteora), they have a life (wifes, kids, some other interests, they changed), so i doesnt suprise me they take longer time to produce something as quality as before (at least they think it is).

[Trumtram]

but that still doesn't change how LP works in the studio.

i gave up caring about their way of working because i got too many much greater bands in my playlist that take up all my time right now .
my point was trying to show EVERYBODY the fact, that good things don't have to take long.
im so tired of reading "better they take more time and make the album better than rush it and make it bad".
best things come out under pressure.

and i agree with "untitled" and "in the end". this example came up when i was in bed .

[Astat]

songs have to be "perfect" to be great. so what is perfect? is it perfect when a song gets so much work done that it sounds dead? or is it perfect if you get the song the way it FEELS perfect?
you can write the greatest songs of all time in one day, yes you heard me. while searching for the so called "perfection" you will rewrite that song and this way its dozen of forms that would've have been as good as the final product if not better.
redoing everything is no guarentee to make a song better, that's a fact. you, as an artist, might like it better and that's all that counts in the end, sure. but, to repeat myself:
there is NO connection of the time you need to make an album and it's final "quality", ABSOLUTELY NO! you can sit down for an hour and write a song, listen to it and like it, maybe work a bit on it and absolutely love it. when you listen to it again, you might see that EVERY change you do (even replaying the riff because you made a MISTAKE) will kill the feel of the song.

linkin park rewrote "somewhere i belong" endless times, and even though we don't know the older versions, there is almost no way of them being any worse.
linkin park's rob bordon rehearsed the drum's for "the little things give you away" countless hours and they kept the demo drums. again, we don't know how the final song would sound if they've used the rerecorded version, but in the lp community this song is widely known as one of linkin park's absolutely best songs.

if every artist would use the definition of perfection in the sense of making it SOUND perfect, than there wouldn't be many many many too many amazing songs, classics.
a song has to FEEL perfect and therefore you don't have to rewrite it all the time. just making it SOUND better will never make it any more perfect. think about it.

A great song ultimately comes down to capturing a feeling of inspiration. Sometimes that inspiration can be the initial inspiration you have to write a song, and a lot of really great songs have been of that variety, the ones that "write themselves." Paranoid by Black Sabbath was originally a filler song because the record label said their album wasn't long enough, so they wrote that song in about 15 minutes, and it's probably their second most popular song. Other times, you can have a piece of music or a lyrical idea or whatever that's been around for a while but never sounded up to par or you've never known what to do with it, and then you find the inspiration to make it great - look at Breaking the Habit, Mike had been trying to write that song since the HTEP days, but it had never come out the way he wanted it to, then one day he decided to put lyrics to the instrumental song Drawing and 2 hours later, he had BTH written.

Obviously there are a lot of songs that fall into those categories - Great songs that were written quickly, and songs that took a long time that sound over-produced or uninspired. But there are examples of the opposite too, great songs that took a long time and crappy songs that were thrown together in a few hours or less.

[ThePretender]

The guys are perfectionist, so you could expect that the album wasn't coming very quickly after mtm.

[Square_Head]

Ultimately saying, let them do their work until they finish it on their own. Don't barrage them with sentences like 'OMG You guys take too long to produce one album!!'. They are professional musicians and they know what to do. In fact, they have plans.
Mike decided to sing in MTM because to make it special. Maybe Phoenix sings for the next album? LoL joking.

[Rheainstoun]

Fuck the live shows with 1 new track, and 1 older track played. I demand a single from the first bunch of tracks done! Even if they're not on the album they can be promo singles!

I would completely replace the setlist ... All songs are played on the tour over the summer, I would give away and replacing them with other songs...sorry for my bad english

[Trumtram]

look at Breaking the Habit, Mike had been trying to write that song since the HTEP days, but it had never come out the way he wanted it to, then one day he decided to put lyrics to the instrumental song Drawing and 2 hours later, he had BTH written.

sure thing, but BTH does not fall in this rewrite category im refering to. mike tried to write this song for 5 years, but what does that mean? did he want to write a song about this theme or did he have a melody in mind and couldn't form it right. either way does not fall in the endless rewriting scheme. having an IDEA and work on that one afterwards is a totally good thing. but linkin park talks about whole songs. rewriting whole songs might lead to good things but still won't specifically lead to a better song, just to another one. there is always a reason for the creation of a song in the first place and by constantly changing and reworking every aspect this reason gets lost.